How long does it take to create a new habit? (2015)

198 点作者 rzk30 天前

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It took me a few days to become a smoker, and a few weeks to get to the point of not wanting to smoke again (some decades later).It took me a week or so to start having a healthier breakfast and it become part of my routine, and I've been trying to have healthier lunches for years now (and still regularly fail, normally because at lunchtimes I'm tired, stressed and yearning for comfort foods like sandwiches and snack bars).I think anyone who believed exactly 21 days was the magic number for all habits, for all people, was grossly naive.But what I do find is that after 21 days it's no longer novel, it's just what you do, if somebody asks you what you do about X, you no longer say "I'm trying this new thing around X, and...", you tell them your new habit. Identifying that habit as part of who you are is key to it being sticky. For some people, and for some habits, that might be true after a week, or it might take a year, but it's an important step, and if you want that habit to stick you should get to it as fast as you can.

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egypturnash30 天前

It only takes a couple of days for a habit to stop, too. It's real easy to go from "I am a person who does this thing every day" to "I last did it half a week ago and I dunno".(Addictions are a different story of course.)

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gchamonlive30 天前

If I'm counting the days to form a habit, I'm not really interested in forming that habit. That's just a means to an end for me. Maybe I'm waking up earlier to have more time for myself, or I'm developing a reading habit so I can finally finish reading Hegel.In all these cases the habit is secondary. It's all discipline and pain.But I think there is a better relationship to be had with habits. One that isn't unfairly tied to productivity. One that I can just enjoy the struggle until I form that routine, or I build up the familiarity or the skill to do something. That kind of attention changes something fundamental about my relationship with what I'm trying to internalize and make a part of myself. It's to learn to be constantly learning and improving without making it a burden or a chore.

noam_k29 天前

I happen to be taking a Team Lead course, and forming habits came up yesterday. 21 days weren't mentioned explicitly, the time frame was "a few weeks". We were given 6 criteria when forming a habit:1. Tangible - you need to pick a tangible action that is observable. If you're trying to fix a part of your behavior you can't pick "I'll pay more attention" as a habit to correct yourself, instead you should write a note or say some phrase.2. Up to me - don't form a habit that requires outside factors. If you want to start jogging, don't ask your neighbor to jog with you. Each time he's not available, you'll have an excuse not to jog.3. Swallow the frog - don't push it off. This isn't a well defined criteria, the idea is to minimize excuses (like #2).4. Daily - a habit needs to be formed by taking action every day.5. Trigger - your action needs a trigger. This can be an internal (feeling hungry), external (a timer on your phone), or contextual (every morning, every time you walk into a conference room).6. New - it's very hard to form a habit if you've already tried and failed. Pick an action that you haven't already tried.There was also an important note that changing behavior often requires multiple steps. The instructor gave the example of using dental floss. It's hard to go from nothing to flossing every day, so break it into:1. Every time you go into the bath room in the evening, pick up the dental floss, and put it down.2. After picking up the floss becomes a habit, cut a piece of floss, and throw it out.3. After cutting the floss becomes a habit, floss a few teeth.And so on.

_JoRo29 天前

What has been most reliable for me has been instead of going from bad habit A to good habit Z, I just replace A with the easiest alternative that is less bad than A.Obviously, this means going from A to Z can take years instead of weeks. Though, from my own personal experience and from what I see of others, trying to go too quickly from A to Z just results in whiplash and irractic behavior--where I have seen it work is when there is an existential crisis demanding that the behavior change.

m46329 天前

I suspect there're other factors to forming habits.Forming a running habit is probably harder than say heroin.I also recall from the "atomic habits" book, that you can chain habits together.The idea was that if you already have a habit of getting out of bed in the morning, you could hydrate. Just say "as soon as I get out of bed, drink a glass of water" and it is easier to form the habit.

tombert30 天前

I lost about 60lbs last year because I was officially "obese" and I wanted to be a bit healthier.While the exact time that I formed the healthier "habit" is harder to quantify, I definitely felt like the first three weeks were the hardest. It did feel, almost overnight, by the beginning of week four it was relatively easy to keep my calorie intake lower.

cryptoz30 天前

Oh, that kind of habit. The good kind. It can take much less than 1 day to form a bad habit. I wonder how that asymmetry really is - were ancient humans less exposed to addictive substances and had no need to evolve a way to stop that? I have no idea what I'm talking about so, I'll end the comment here.

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markus_zhang29 天前

IMO, getting a habit might need a "click", a resolution.I tried many times to get into exercise, but only got into a regular schedule (daily) recently. I don't even know what happened but there is definitely a click. The number of days is not so important. Something inside just told me to do it. Same with fasting. Somehow I got into 72-hour water fast with zero preparation and "habit" a few months ago and have been doing it once or twice a month.How to get the click is more interesting. I wish I could generate those clicks for things I want to do but not dying to do.

Willingham30 天前

For me, a habit is pretty well implanted into my life after 3 months, but only after 3 years do I feel insured that it will stick for life.

kshacker29 天前

In Indian culture, people do a ritual for 40 days without trying to make a habit, and my reading is that habit forming is the purpose. Sometimes what you do it not directly related to your goal, let's say fasting or going to temple or whatever, but I guess 40 days of thinking about your new-routine-adjacent-goal makes you obsess about it and try to make it happen.So twice what is being discussed here.

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blueyes30 天前

B.J. Fogg makes this point in his book Tiny Habits. And his point *is* that you can form a habit in much less than 21 days, let alone 66.This whole question revolves around the effort/reward ratio of a behavior. When people talk about ~21 days, they're talking about doing a hard thing until it's second nature and seems easy.But there are other ways to make something seem easy, and there is another component in the ratio: reward. That is, even if effort stays the same, you can wire a habit by making the behavior more rewarding. (This is why people are able to get addicted to a substance after one dose -- because they can't forget the state they entered ... and it was so easy to get there.)So the takeaway here is the you can wire habits by decreasing the amount of effort to do something that you think is good for you -- eg if you want to hydrate more, place a glass near the sink so you drink water when you get out of bed in the morning -- *and* by increasing the reward. The whole trick is getting the ratio right.Cliche Silicon Valley example. I did an ice plunge, and it gave me a day long plunger's high. I didn't need to plunge for 21 days to get the habit. I started doing it 3 times a week after that, because I knew what I had to do to feel good.This actually gets to something Huberman calls "duration-path-outcome". Getting clarity on what you have to do (path); how long it will take (duration); and what the payoff is (outcome), can do wonders for motivation. Confusion kills action (and for that matter, all deals, since habits are just deals we make with ourselves). If you can get clarity, reduce the effort, and increase the amount of reward and your confidence in it, I think you can get to new habits really quickly.Fwiw, I wrote a little bit about forming habits here: <a href="https://vonnik.substack.com/p/state-changes-work-and-presence" rel="nofollow">https://vonnik.substack.com/p/state-changes-work-and-presenc...</a>

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LtdJorge30 天前

It took me 3 days to fully drop sugar from coffee, at 17 I think. Never liked sweets and pastry, though, but dropping every sugar drink took me more, a couple weeks, specially Nestea.Edit: took me 1 day to drop the remaining sugar, and plants in general.

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mjparrott30 天前

N=96, only followed for 84 days ... has his been replicated? How do they make claims beyond 84 days?

anshumankmr29 天前

When I shifted to Bangalore and in March 2023, I faced water shortage (found out later it was a issue in the water supply pipes) I signed up to gym practically immediately, and used to go all days back then, just to have a bath. Hit the treadmill for 30-40 mins or lift for an hour,then have a bath. Used to gym earlier in 2022 but never got that to be a habit, but the habit stacking thing worked really well. Now that the water issues are largely sorted, I still go to the gym practically 4-5 days a week.So that habit of gymming literally zero days. Just visited the gym, checked out the washrooms, found it acceptable, and signed up immediately.

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WarOnPrivacy29 天前

After a lot of decades I learned the amount of time it takes to make a sea-change in character is about 10 years - providing externalities don't overly sabotage the process.And change¹ isn't really what we do; we cover bad with good.<pre><code> We surface counterproductive drivers. We counter them by layering new thinking/behaviors over old. Each layer is it's own project and most don't stick for a while. </code></pre> None of it is doable in 21 days, not the smallest bit.<pre><code> ¹ see also, healing</code></pre>

atoav29 天前

One thing about habits is that you need to make room for them. And this can mean literal room or in a metaphorical sense. If you want to eat healthy for example consider that eating healthy literally starts before you eat, when you buy groceries. If you always go shopping for groceries when you're hungry, you're not gonna buy healthy stuff, and if you don't little healthy stuff at home you won't eat healthy.

laylomo229 天前

As a person who has learned a few dozen keyboard layouts, the timelines described here check out with my experience. 21 days is kind of the baseline to get to a barely acceptable typing speed, and then there’s a slow long slog as you get more and more comfortable day by day. Depending on how much you practice, it could take between 2-8 months to _really_ get comfortable with a layout.

KurSix29 天前

The 21-day rule always felt a little too neat for something as messy and personal as behavior change. I’ve found that giving myself grace when I miss a day has actually helped me stick with things way longer than any rigid deadline ever did.

layer830 天前

Regardless of that specific question, I found the book a great read.It also has a Wikipedia article: <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psycho-Cybernetics" rel="nofollow">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psycho-Cybernetics</a>

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Chipen29 天前

Trying to overcome human nature will make the process long, but aligning with it will make it fast. Good habits and bad habits are only relative—more often than not, bad habits align with human nature, while good habits are the opposite.

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topspin29 天前

Answer: it depends. When failure to be habitual about something has significant financial cost or causes physical pain, adoption will often be nearly instantaneous.

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ChrisMarshallNY30 天前

I've always heard 90 days.However, as the article says, it really depends on what habit we are trying to establish.

agumonkey30 天前

Maybe a placebo, but having this 21 days target did help me start habits in .. about 3 weeks.

joelsstafford29 天前

In the book The Invisible Game by Zoltan Andrejkovics it says 100 repetitions in esports.

yawnxyz30 天前

it takes maybe 21 minutes to form a tiktok habit

pbhjpbhj30 天前

>"If you’re trying a new diet, attempting to quit smoking or changing any daily routine, don’t expect new habits to be created in a week, or two or even three. Research suggests that the process requires 66 days (on average) and up to 8 months."Something about the title suggested it was going to be much less than 21 days; maybe it's the domain name biasing my reading of the title.

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sublinear30 天前

Trying to define any underlying logic would be to misunderstand what a habit is.

jmyeet29 天前

I envy the neurotypicals who can just form habits, 21 days or otherwise.People are neurotypical rarely if ever understand what those with ADHD go through. The best description I've heard is that people with ADHD don't have habits: we have trauma.The meaning of that is that neurotypicals have the capacity to simply go into a rom and do something. It almost passively happens. ADHD people do not. Even getting up in the morning involves 50 questions being mentally asked and answered. Do I need to take something to the bathroom? Did I run the dishwasher? Did I leave the heating on? Do I need to do laundry today? And I'm 5 seconds into my day.A brain that seeks novelty quickly gets bored with reptition. The only way you form habits is by the trauma of the consequences of not having that habit.

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