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Google won't ditch third-party cookies in Chrome after all

131 点作者 jnord23 天前

13 条评论

legitster23 天前
&gt; In some ways, this is a loss—tracking cookies are undeniably terrible, and Google&#x27;s proposed alternative is better for privacy, at least on paper. However, universal adoption of the Privacy Sandbox could also give Google more power than it already has, and the supposed privacy advantages may never have fully materialized as Google continues to seek higher revenue.<p>Cookies are much maligned these days, but to defend them a little bit - the alternatives are almost universally worse for user privacy. Persistent session storage? Browser fingerprinting? Locking everything behind a user account with mandatory sign-in? Blegh.<p>On the other hand, cookies are a pretty transparent interaction. It&#x27;s a tiny file that sites in your browser. You can look at them. They expire on their own. You as a user can delete, modity, edit, hack them to your heart&#x27;s content. They contain no PII on their own. They are old-fashioned and limited and that&#x27;s a good thing.<p>The real problem here is not the cookie - it&#x27;s the third party data networks. I would much rather focus our ire on the function rather than the form.
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gnabgib23 天前
Related:<p><i>Google scraps plan to remove third-party cookies from Chrome</i> (26 points, 9 months ago, 3 comments) <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=41046637">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=41046637</a><p><i>Chrome is entrenching third-party cookies that will mislead users</i> (511 points, 8 months ago, 311 comments) <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=41391412">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=41391412</a><p><i>What Google&#x27;s U-Turn on Third-Party Cookies Means for Chrome Privacy</i> (3 points, 7 months ago) <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=41788239">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=41788239</a>
ocdtrekkie23 天前
This article seems to avoid talking about the elephant in the room: Every other browser just blocks third party cookies with no replacement. And Chrome would too if it wasn&#x27;t owned by an ad company.<p>This should be the central argument the DOJ uses to separate Chrome from Google: The entire web for a monopoly-size portion of users is massively less secure because the web browser is owned by a company which is very vested in it being less secure.
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1vuio0pswjnm722 天前
Another assurance Google made was that the User-Agent HTTP header is being phased out, or at least rendered obsolete. It sure seems like this header is in heavy usage for a variety of online advertising related purposes. Time will tell if anyone should take Google&#x27;s forecasting of the future seriously.
joshdavham23 天前
Even if Google won&#x27;t disable third-party cookies in Chrome, you still can!<p>chrome:&#x2F;&#x2F;settings&#x2F;cookies
codedokode22 天前
So basically Google added additional tracking and fingerprinting features (so called &quot;Privacy Sandbox&quot;) as a replacement for 3P cookies, but decided not to remove them after all.<p>I think that independent from Google browser vendors should 1) stop adopting any APIs that extend fingerprinting surface and 2) gradually lock down APIs that allow fingerprinting by putting them behind permissions.
aucisson_masque22 天前
&gt; Google has been heartened to see the advertising industry taking privacy more seriously. As a result, Google won&#x27;t be pushing that cookie dialog to users.<p>The advertising industry never ever cared about anyone’s privacy. Quite the opposite.<p>Same for Google, Google is a company. It cares about money income, that’s all. This change gave them even more control on the web.<p>They just had too much pushback from the advertising industry and a wrong timeline with the DOJ and the antitrust lawsuit. That’s the reason they canceled their plan, anything else is PR BULLCRAP.
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sublinear23 天前
I&#x27;m not sure I&#x27;ve ever understood the point of this.<p>Aren&#x27;t all cookies trivially &quot;any-party&quot; cookies? Can&#x27;t any form of persistence be used to track a user? 3rd-party cookies as they exist today just give a path of least resistance so that most of that behavior is implemented the same way. Consistent implementation allows the user a simple way to block that behavior.
chris_wot23 天前
So turn them off by default, and whitelist the ones that are necessary. It was <i>always</i> a stupid idea to get rid of them completely.
ChrisArchitect23 天前
[dupe] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=43764062">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=43764062</a>
est23 天前
weird stuff happen when an advertising company is making web browsers. Anti-trust should happen faster to stop the monopoly
grishka23 天前
The only <i>somewhat good</i> use for third-party cookies is various embeds and comment widgets. It wouldn&#x27;t be all that much of a loss for the users if third-party cookies were removed without a replacement, but with the developer of the world&#x27;s most popular web browser and the world&#x27;s most popular mobile OS also being the world&#x27;s richest internet advertising company, that&#x27;s apparently an absolute impossibility ¯\_(ツ)_&#x2F;¯
creatonez22 天前
Not surprising. Chrome is deeply compromised by Google&#x27;s incentives.