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Sixty Years On, We Still Dream of the Arrow (2021)

109 点作者 teleforce29 天前

12 条评论

rubayeet29 天前
Canadian Broadcast Corporation (CBC) produced a 4 episode TV mini series dramatizing the birth and death of the Avro Arrow plane (can be found on YouTube)<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;The_Arrow_(miniseries)" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;The_Arrow_(miniseries)</a>
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yabones29 天前
The reality is that as great of an interceptor as it was (and possibly the best dedicated interceptor jet ever made), by the time it was ready it was already obsolete. With the introduction of ICBMs, there was simply no need to have jets purpose built for shooting down TU-95&#x27;s over the Arctic when the new threat was impossible to shoot down.
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init729 天前
Foxbat&#x2F;MiG 25 was another classic aircraft -<p>For pure speed, they notched 1,852 mph. They could climb to 98,425 feet in four minutes and 3.86 seconds and ultimately reached an absolute altitude record of 123,520 feet.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.historynet.com&#x2F;mig-25&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.historynet.com&#x2F;mig-25&#x2F;</a>
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MarkusWandel29 天前
An equally sad, but much less mentioned story is the Avro Jetliner. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Avro_Canada_C102_Jetliner" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Avro_Canada_C102_Jetliner</a><p>The sole surviving XB70, another super cool plane that was obsolete by the time it was ready, is a valued museum piece. These planes should have been.
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the_af29 天前
Why were all prototypes and blueprints destroyed so thoroughly? Why not keep one for a museum? And why the blueprints?<p>I&#x27;m sure there are security reasons, but it still seems so wasteful.
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hermitcrab29 天前
&quot;To protect our turf, and the Americans to the south, Canada decided to build a high-flying supersonic interceptor to meet and knock down invading Soviet bombers.&quot;<p>Different times. Canadians are now possibly now more worried about the US than Russia.
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evnp29 天前
Great read, fascinating piece of Canadian history.<p>For anyone on mobile (android&#x2F;chrome at least) select &quot;Desktop Site&quot; under browser settings to see five historical images. They don&#x27;t show up for me at all in the default mobile view.
sandworm10129 天前
No mention of the spies. No mention of how the overall design of the arrow is eerrily similar to the later mig-25, a unique design in soviet aviation. There is a reason the foxbat and foxhound dont look like any other soviet aircraft, but do look very similar to the arrow and f-15. Arrow was cancelled because america saw what was happening.<p>For those who dont see it: the arrow has a rectangular &quot;box&quot; body, so do the mig25&#x2F;31 and f-15. Most multiengine fighters have cigar shapes (f18, f111) or &quot;tunnels&quot; such as the su-27&#x2F;35&#x2F;34&#x2F;57, f-14 and even the sr-71. The box shape was new in the arrow but can arguably be seen today in the US 22 and 35.<p>Article with a good pic showing the design consideration is still a thing today: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;aviation.stackexchange.com&#x2F;questions&#x2F;102446&#x2F;why-doesnt-su-57-blend-the-engine-nacelles-with-the-fuselage-like-other-5th-ge" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;aviation.stackexchange.com&#x2F;questions&#x2F;102446&#x2F;why-does...</a>
lupusreal29 天前
Diefenbaker canceled the arrow saying that interceptors were no longer needed (Canada subsequently bought interceptors from America, because they did in fact remain relevant.). At the same time he was digging out a massive bunker outside of Ottawa so that the Canadian government could survive the rest of Canada being vaporized. Some real Doctor Strangelove shit IMHO.<p>The so called &quot;Deifenbunker&quot; is now a museum open to the public. Pretty interesting, being in it feels like being in a ship.
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UncleSlacky29 天前
See also the TSR-2: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;BAC_TSR-2" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;BAC_TSR-2</a>
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kleiba29 天前
OT: I hate that I cannot scroll the pictures on the left the way I want to.
AcerbicZero29 天前
Eh....cancelling a not very good design in 1959, well before most countries realized ground controlled interceptors were kind of a bad idea might be the real story here. The US (and the Soviets to a hilarious degree) went down the other path for many more years, at high cost; the USAF (Fighter side) didn&#x27;t truly recover from those choices until the late 70&#x27;s - early 80&#x27;s IMO. (Vietnam being the real tutor here)<p>If you&#x27;re interested in the subject, look up the performance of the beam riding missiles in use, and the limitations for deployment of the AIM-9B - those do a good job highlighting the extremely limited envelope in which these weapons could be deployed, and the difficulty in getting the aircraft in that envelope.