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We're building a dystopia just to make people click on ads [video]

289 点作者 ColinWright17 天前

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Imustaskforhelp17 天前
I think the problem is, I feel like most ads are so empty,hollow &amp; fraudful on the internet...<p>I am okay with ads, if they aren&#x27;t all the above.<p>But I don&#x27;t know what the Algorithm overlord serves me as an Ad, so I use Ublock Origin.<p>I actually think ads should probably be changed from paid promotion to actually use that money on such a good level of ad that even if you release it as a standalone video for example, people would want to watch it.<p>And I think people are doing it, I still listen to this Splendor Song Chalta rahe because of how great the music of this ad is.<p>But Most ads are of frauds trying to sell you a get rich quick scheme etc. (atleast I feel like every ad wants to sell me a course?), and I don&#x27;t want to be the fraud&#x27;s shitty course&#x27;s next victim, I hate such course sellers so much that I kind of want to punch them through the video just thinking how the whole economy of ads is generally revolving around these frauds..., and how they make money is by scamming innocent individuals.<p>All of this while building a privacy nightmare, a dystopia.<p>No thanks. I am going to keep ads off of any of my services to a higher level of degree though I do imagine that most people don&#x27;t donate shit &amp; I don&#x27;t even think that in businesses, the real money are in normal clients because they require free tier and way too much hassle for like 10$?, but rather business clients (B2B).<p>Though I also feel this moral obligation to open source whatever I build.. but then businesses can simply self host it, maybe I should probably only release it as fair source?<p>IDK, the whole system boils down to money, I can be only so good a person as the constraint of money requires me to. If money is low, morality has a higher probability of being ignored... , IDK, there is too much competition, sometimes unworthy,sometimes not, but still too much competition on a lot of ideas and they have not much differences so they try to do ads...
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antfarm17 天前
My way to circumvent most of this: I am using Safari with <i>AdBlock Pro</i> and <i>AdBlock</i> and see zero ads when browsing the web.<p>I spend more time on YouTube than I care to admit, so I got a Premium subscription, bought an extension called <i>UnTrap for YouTube</i> to hide most recommendations and turned off all YouTube history etc.<p>I regularly visit BlueSky, Hacker News and YouTube, but not X, TikTok, Instagram or Facebook.<p>The hardest thing is to not use Amazon, but I am working on it.
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ujkhsjkdhf23417 天前
I have been groaning about income inequality a lot but it is amazing how much of this can be explained by it. People do not have the disposable income to spend on services so you make people pay with attention. Give them the carrot for free so they don&#x27;t notice. On top of that, the product is free so there is no expectation of support for the end user. You&#x27;re getting it for free so what are you complaining about?
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Sophira17 天前
One thing I&#x27;ve noticed is that Reddit is very, very aggressive about how it implements its telemetry.<p>Not only is the endpoint that it uses for collecting events randomized each time you load a page, but it also happens that every event collector URL is a valid API endpoint that is used for other things. You can&#x27;t block any of them with regular ad blocking tools unless you&#x27;re okay with blocking the corresponding API endpoint. And given that the website itself uses the API, this can be difficult.<p>It&#x27;s evil and I hate it.
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blacklight17 天前
The irony of watching this 2017 TED video in 2025, and find out that my NoScript extension reports half a dozen of JS trackers and ads providers on this page - including Google, doubleclick.net, sail-personalize and sail-track.<p>Oh, and if you navigate to this page without NoScript, AdBlocker or a PiHole DNS you&#x27;ll probably be presented with a cookie consent banner, a bunch of ads on the page and before watching the video, and your data being shared with at least half a dozen partners (a number that can increase dramatically if you visit the page of any news outlet instead of ted.com).<p>So yeah, I guess that the message of this video aged like fine wine.
poetworrier17 天前
I accepted cookies, watched an ad, dismissed a popup for a newsletter to watch a video about ads.<p>That really nails it.
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avipars17 天前
Same video on YouTube: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=iFTWM7HV2UI" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=iFTWM7HV2UI</a><p>The one on TED.com appears to have been removed.
eesmith17 天前
Pohl and Kornbluth in 1952 wrote &quot;The Space Merchants&quot; - &quot;a novel of the future when advertising agencies take over.&quot; <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;The_Space_Merchants" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;The_Space_Merchants</a>
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lukev17 天前
Half the comments here are just pointing out that ad blockers exist, which is missing the point.<p>The damage of an advertising-based internet economy is not limited to just &quot;seeing ads.&quot; The entire content and structure of the internet is warped around this economy. Search engines, SEO, content discovery mechanisms, types and variety of content... all could have been different and better.
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myvoiceismypass16 天前
One of the things that drives me absolutely bonkers is websites popping up an ad or some modal to enter my email or subscribe to something… While I am in the middle of scrolling or entering text &#x2F; interacting with a form. It’s so jarring and frustrating and usually results in me moving on.<p>UX largely sucks and takes a backseat to the ad experience now.
1vuio0pswjnm716 天前
&quot;We&#x27;re building a dystopia to make people click on ads&quot;<p>Why not, &quot;They&#x27;re building a dystopia to make people click on ads&quot;<p>I&#x27;m not building this dystopia<p>Are you
jorgesborges17 天前
Is it possible to launch an offensive against advertising by spoofing humans that consume ads so numbers increase so dramatically they’re meaningless?
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p3rls16 天前
No wonder the independent web is dead when even places like HN sound like this --everyone is referring to the same five websites, fb, twitter, etc. The few creators among us are stuck between google&#x27;s bullshit and such retarded proudhonists that would like to see even more consumer-level content controlled by these monopolies.
dang16 天前
Related:<p><i>Zeynep Tufekci: We&#x27;re building a dystopia just to make people click on ads</i> - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=29026203">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=29026203</a> - Oct 2021 (2 comments)<p><i>We&#x27;re building a dystopia just to make people click on ads (2017) [video]</i> - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=16684860">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=16684860</a> - March 2018 (170 comments)<p><i>We&#x27;re building a dystopia just to make people click on ads [video]</i> - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=15891014">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=15891014</a> - Dec 2017 (50 comments)<p><i>We&#x27;re Building a Dystopia Just to Make People Click on Ads</i> - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=15572578">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=15572578</a> - Oct 2017 (12 comments)
lrvick17 天前
Ban&#x2F;block all ads always. Modern digital advertising cannot co-exist with privacy and without being abused for propaganda.
pjmlp17 天前
So basically Demolition Man reality.
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esafak17 天前
(2017)<p>Nobody is excited about ads in 2025.
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Dwedit17 天前
And if you resist, you are considered a scraper bot and are blocked from the site.
1vuio0pswjnm717 天前
(2017)<p>No Javascript:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;py.tedcdn.com&#x2F;consus&#x2F;projects&#x2F;00&#x2F;29&#x2F;70&#x2F;008&#x2F;products&#x2F;2017g-zeynep-tufekci-008-fallback-a8371f4d641eee7a051bf4bc77cafa91-1200k.mp4" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;py.tedcdn.com&#x2F;consus&#x2F;projects&#x2F;00&#x2F;29&#x2F;70&#x2F;008&#x2F;products&#x2F;...</a>
swayvil17 天前
It&#x27;s a funny little causal chain.<p>Everybody just wants a peaceful, prosperous life.<p>We serve a corporation, because the corporation promises that.<p>The corporation just wants advertising. That is, clicks.<p>So the universal desire for peace and prosperity is bringing about the clicky dystopia.
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add-sub-mul-div17 天前
If you updated this to today it would be that we&#x27;re building a dystopia just to enable a too long; didn&#x27;t read and too hard; won&#x27;t work society.
stefap216 天前
I&#x27;m using Adblock Browser on Android. Works pretty well also with youtube.
y4216 天前
Hardest thing for me to understand is: No one really like ads or the current situation with some exceptions. To understand that let&#x27;s break down all stake holders here:<p>We have publishers who rely on the money stream to finance their online products. But they probably complain about how ads have overtaken their content. We have a couple of &quot;wanna be publishers&quot; that built a busines model around ads (who are the root cause of why ads fail in these times). They don&#x27;t really complain about the current situation, but I&#x27;d say that&#x27;s the minority here. We have advertisers who need ads to &quot;advertise&quot; (apparently). They also complain about &quot;ad saturation&quot;.<p>We have a HUGE ecosystem, which promises to improve advertising, mostly it&#x27;s just bullshit buzzword bingo to make a busines out of it. (good read on that is <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;chiefmartec.com&#x2F;2024&#x2F;05&#x2F;2024-marketing-technology-landscape-supergraphic-14106-martech-products-27-8-growth-yoy&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;chiefmartec.com&#x2F;2024&#x2F;05&#x2F;2024-marketing-technology-la...</a>) They probably complain about what they built themselfs: a complex ecosystem that no one understands anymore.<p>And we have end users who most probably don&#x27;t like ads. Most common users probably just ignore them, a couple of tech savvy users installed counter measures to avoid ads.<p>This is the status quo. And there are so many posts and opinions and rants about ads and online marketing. Still we suffer from them.<p>Why isn&#x27;t it changing? I don&#x27;t see even an aproach of someone who actually want&#x27;s to change it. This is weird.
buyucu17 天前
The internet has ads?<p>thanks to uBlock origin and pihole I don&#x27;t see any of them.
balamatom17 天前
Back in the sticks we usta callit, um, a paperclip optimizer.
lawrenceyan16 天前
If everyone had a Solana wallet, and ads were natively integrated, you&#x27;d receive $0.10 for every one you watch.<p>Consumers right now only get monetized. They see zero return from their attention being taken away from them.
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nickdothutton17 天前
I am actively moving as many of my workflows as possible to the terminal. I&#x27;ve always loved automation, but now it has become a quest.
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liendolucas17 天前
The presenter confeses that uses Facebook. Disappointed.
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fracus17 天前
&quot;We&#x27;re&quot;? Unabated capitalism.
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sssilver17 天前
Am I right that the only truly systemic solution to the problem of ads is government regulation, with communism as its final degree?
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xyst17 天前
Blame corporate greed for this never ending cycle of (human&#x2F;psychological&#x2F;and physical) exploitation in the name of pRoFiT.<p>A companion presentation to the OP is &quot;Beware, fellow plutocrats, the pitchforks are coming&quot; by Nick Haneaur in 2014 —- <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.ted.com&#x2F;talks&#x2F;nick_hanauer_beware_fellow_plutocrats_the_pitchforks_are_coming?language=en" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.ted.com&#x2F;talks&#x2F;nick_hanauer_beware_fellow_plutocr...</a><p>He has also been running a podcast called &quot;Pitchfork Economics&quot; which I have found to be very enlightening on the state of this world. From an economics point of view, it explains the enshittification of many services we once enjoyed, the destruction of the middle class.<p>The past 40+ years of policy based on “reagonomics”&#x2F;“trickle down economics”, neoclassical&#x2F;neoliberal economicsc and psuedoscience from the Chicago School of Economics (ie, Milton Friedman) represents the worst era of America.
joe_vanachi17 天前
lol if you think this is about clicking on ads
justanotheratom17 天前
I feel like these issues can be countered by a reasoning AI that runs locally and I can configure to operate in my best interest.<p>e.g, Filter out political posts on X. Fact check opinion videos on the fly.<p>I hope future computing devices will have neutal engine at the center, and CPU as secondary. And I should be able to teach it to take actions on my behalf.
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