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Duolingo will replace contract workers with AI

181 点作者 donohoe16 天前

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Aurornis16 天前
There&#x27;s a supposed Duolingo Slack screenshot going around Twitter with an internal announcement: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;x.com&#x2F;eugeneyan&#x2F;status&#x2F;1917034784355979479&#x2F;photo&#x2F;1" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;x.com&#x2F;eugeneyan&#x2F;status&#x2F;1917034784355979479&#x2F;photo&#x2F;1</a><p>Archived here: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;archive.is&#x2F;zqk5z" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;archive.is&#x2F;zqk5z</a><p>If I was an engineer at a company that made this announcement I would not be feeling great right now. The claims that writing code will become a smaller part of our jobs and that productivity expectations will rise set off some alarm bells.<p>Some of the statements like &quot;For example, we know that large language models work best with context&quot; are alarming, as if the people writing this announcement have a very elementary understanding of how LLMs work but are making drastic policy changes based on their limited understanding.<p>Imposing rules on developers like the requirement that they use AI for every task, no matter how small, and work through LLMs first instead of writing code feels like an idea that comes from non-developers looking to make a thought leadership splash. Everyone I know who leverages LLMs uses them as an assistant where appropriate, but trying to go full vibe-code mode where you act through the AI isn&#x27;t a secret route to more productivity.
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n_ary15 天前
In another news, I intend to uninstall duolingo effective immediately and actually in an effort to support human-first businesses and enroll into a real language course class where I get to talk to real human beings with same goal and have actual exams and people trained in teaching particular language.<p>For me, Duolingo(uber for Anki flash cards of preliminary words for a 3 day tourist in a new country) was always an odd product. It is very popular among people because they can immediately learn how to say hi&#x2F;hello, thanks, please in new language but after that, it is akin to learning to swim by reading different tips and tricks, without actually ever touching water or doing the act.
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Larrikin16 天前
As someone who waffles back and forth between how conversational I am based on the topic and how much I&#x27;ve studied recently, this comes as no surprise.<p>Nothing about Duolingo gives the impression they actually want you to learn the language. It presents itself as an easy way to start, but if you are more than a single undergrad class into the language and have used any outside resources, it&#x27;s an obvious waste of time.<p>Everything on the platform is just a slower form of the most basic note cards. Anki does everything the platform does faster. Anki isn&#x27;t suitable for all task but Duolingo takes the basic note card and makes you learn at a slower pace.
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SirensOfTitan16 天前
Right, so if the productivity gains were so blindingly obvious and immediate for everyone, mandates wouldn&#x27;t be needed.<p>These companies tried to quantify the productivity impact of work from home, so it&#x27;s utterly bewildering to me that they would push these tool-use mandates without actually quantifying the impact LLM tools have on productivity. If it were just &#x27;getting familiar&#x27; with AI tools to help define an AI-driven product mindset, I&#x27;d expect these CEOs to have more than a naive perception of the tools and their limitations.<p>I honestly wonder where these mandates started--part of me feels like this is the nascent stage of a VC panic that their AI investment strategy might not work out.
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actuallyalys15 天前
&gt; “It helps us get closer to our mission. To teach well, we need to create a massive amount of content, and doing that manually doesn’t scale. One of the best decisions we made recently was replacing a slow, manual content creation process with one powered by AI. Without AI, it would take us decades to scale our content to more learners. We owe it to our learners to get them this content ASAP.”<p>It’s hard to fathom why this would be the case. Isn’t creating learning materials mostly an upfront task? Obviously you want to update your materials and fix mistakes. And perhaps you sometimes have a new idea that necessitates an update or rewriting things. But creating lesson materials honestly seems like it would scale very well.<p>I think about reading language learning blogs and forums and people would sometimes recommend favorite resources that were from decades ago. I’m sure something was lost in them not being totally up to date but honestly, persistence is way more important than currency, let alone “having a massive amount of content.”
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iamleppert15 天前
I hope they can replace their customers with AI next, because that’s the only way a business like Duolingo is going to survive. My prediction is it’s gone in the next 18 months.<p>A policy change like this is designed to have a thin veil of innovation (especially to an unsavy board) but if you read between the lines this is some executive’s wild idea to shake things up because they are completely and totally desperate and really don’t know what to do.
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dang15 天前
Related ongoing thread:<p><i>LibreLingo – FOSS Alternative to Duolingo</i> - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=43829035">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=43829035</a> - April 2025 (290 comments)
spunker54015 天前
A lot of naysayers here, and I get it’s more about the tactics and messaging more than anything else— but in defense of Duolingo (I’m not a user):<p>There is a good possibility that in 5 years people have moved on from Duolingo because new ai tutoring apps that can perfectly tailor content to your level and offer unlimited speaking practice sessions, may surpass Duolingo’s “old-fashioned” offering—-the same way Duolingo jumped ahead of websites, which jumped ahead of CDs and cassette tapes, which jumped ahead of books.
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gs1715 天前
It&#x27;s pretty funny reading <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.quora.com&#x2F;What-made-Luis-Von-Ahn-start-Duolingo&#x2F;answer&#x2F;Luis-Von-Ahn" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.quora.com&#x2F;What-made-Luis-Von-Ahn-start-Duolingo&#x2F;...</a> now:<p>&gt; So, the largest part of the market was not being addressed because there was no great way to make money from them. Most people who wanted to learn a language couldn&#x27;t really afford the best ways of doing it. We wanted to have a way to teach people languages for free. But not just free.<p>&gt; We wanted to have the best quality of language education, and offer it for free.<p>Modern Duolingo feels like neither half of that sentence.
klipklop16 天前
Number of people I know that used Duolingo successfully to be fluent in a new language: 0<p>Number of people I expect to meet in the future that used &quot;AI first&quot; Duolingo that successfully became fluent in a new language: 0<p>They don&#x27;t even really have a functional product to begin with. Meaning that it can take the average person and help them competently speak a new language in a reasonable time frame. Vibe coding I guess can&#x27;t make it any worse....
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nope100016 天前
If people wanted that, they could just ask an LLM to be their language coach. The big issue is that with a foreign language, you cannot really verify that anything the model gives you is correct. And with how LLMs work, the wrong answers will look very convincing. I don&#x27;t think that&#x27;s a good idea.
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smlavine15 天前
If Duolingo wants to be an &quot;AI-First&quot; company, then what&#x27;s stopping all of us from being an &quot;AI-First&quot; society and just using Google Translate all the time?<p>This contradicts the whole thesis statement of their company -- that it is <i>worth time and effort</i> to collaborate and learn with others, even when a machine can make it easier.
xdfgh111215 天前
Do most people using Duolingo have anything to show for it? It&#x27;s a time wasting online casino app dressed up with intellectual vibes. Not surprising that a spiritually dead company has spiritually dead values.
dgimla2015 天前
Duolingo is an awful language learning tool (primary tool or only tool). Here is a Duolingo game.<p>Translate the following into English:<p>jvgug5 g54g 4g g45g ! g54 43 43r pgd0f<p>Here are the words you need to drag and drop into order:<p>fish to day cat eat My every eat likes<p>Do 10 of these every day and you&#x27;ll be fluent when you hit a 1000+ day streak. Do a lot of these to do more of them than other people on the leaderboard to see your name next to &quot;1.&quot; with an icon of a trophy.
teekay14 天前
500 days on Duolingo and it has felt like it was produced by ChatGPT 3.5 this entire time.<p>500 days of learning various bits &amp; pieces and not being able to have a simple conversation - but I could probably say &quot;There is a monkey in his backpack&quot; if pressed hard!<p>I used to hate learning from actual textbooks as the conversations felt &quot;dumb&quot; or &quot;forced&quot; but that dumbing down as at least justified by having to progress from zero. Duolingo doesn&#x27;t feel &quot;plain dumb&quot; but &quot;weird dumb&quot;.<p>So yeah, if they replace their contractors (who must&#x27;ve used the cheapest models) with O3 or o4-mini-high or whatever, it should be an improvement!
billy99k11 天前
I feel like some of these changes already happened. I&#x27;ve been using it for 3+ years now and my listening practice over the last couple of weeks changed from words that I recognized, to a completely new set of words&#x2F;sentences at twice the speed. The voices also sound like they are AI generated.
endofreach14 天前
Just be thankful for all the companies destroying their &quot;products&quot; in favour of AI. They show that they won&#x27;t be worth it in the future. A lot of companies will go away, and it won&#x27;t be the ones &quot;missing out&quot; on &quot;AI&quot;... most of them will be the ones who cripple their product for some pseudo hype.<p>It just shows they have no idea what to do, so just squeeze &quot;AI&quot; in... there are too many SaaS out there anyway.
qalmakka16 天前
I don&#x27;t know, AI seems quite antithetical to what Duolingo supposedly stands for. AI raison d&#x27;etre is to allow people to do stuff they cannot do themselves or replace human skill with automated processes. Duolingo literally sells language courses, in a world where translation jobs are getting less and less necessary thanks to AI being especially great at translating stuff.<p>Also &quot;AI first&quot; is BS, until AI has a 100% accuracy it is only useful as long as there are still competent people around that are able to understand what the AI does. A level of competence that gets harder and harder to get in a world where AI assistants allow you to get by by just pressing enter and producing poor quality slop.<p>Companies and management want to _replace_ human labour because just they don&#x27;t understand that AI works best _alongside_ people. This doesn&#x27;t surprise me; one of the worst problems in IT right now is that IT is both pervasive and extraordinarily sector-specific. Capital is in the hands of people that not only don&#x27;t understand how IT and computers work in detail, but don&#x27;t even understand how little they understand in the first place
boh15 天前
&quot;AI first&quot; has the makings of an Amazon Go situation. You theoretically shed labor spend by using technology solutions but in practice have low-paying workers do most of the actual work. &quot;AI first&quot; just seems like a dog-whistle for &quot;we&#x27;re struggling to figure out how to grow so we&#x27;re going to cut labor and make it seem like innovation&quot;.
omneity15 天前
I already found Duolingo quite bad, struggling to make it past the repetitive and often not-so-sensical question&#x2F;answers, but this finally proves it’s not for me.
nextworddev15 天前
Not a whole lot stopping Duolingo to be replaced entirely by a thousand ChatGPt wrappers
guywithahat15 天前
I mean this seems reasonable, but the AI advisory board is likely to get in the way of actual innovation. They&#x27;ll probably limit what models you can use for nonsense political reasons, and it&#x27;ll just be another set of signatures you need to get to purchase an AI tool. I think there is a decent amount of logic to this though.
conartist615 天前
Uh huh and will the employees still feel cared about do you think or will they all feel one step away from being pushed off the cliff
ChessviaAI16 天前
It feels like we&#x27;re watching the playbook for AI-native companies emerge in real time.<p>Duolingo’s approach, explicitly tying headcount to proof-of-automation limits, baking AI usage into performance reviews, and prioritizing AI-first systems over retrofitting old workflows, is a glimpse at how &quot;AI-first&quot; won’t just mean using LLMs as a tool, but rebuilding the entire operational model around them.<p>That said, it&#x27;s a double-edged sword. Contract workers were crucial to Duolingo’s early scalability. Shifting to AI removes human bottlenecks, but also human nuance — and teaching language is deeply nuanced. It’ll be fascinating (and maybe a little uncomfortable) to see if mass AI content keeps Duolingo&#x27;s educational quality high as they chase faster scaling.<p>AI-first might win on cost and speed. But will it still win on outcomes?
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pedalpete15 天前
I shouldn&#x27;t be surprised by the number of comments of people saying &quot;I&#x27;m going to uninstall Duolingo immediately&quot;, but I am.<p>AI is increasing our productivity just as the loom did back in the early 1800s. So are HN members now the luddites?<p>We&#x27;re both the developers and the destroyers?<p>Why don&#x27;t we all just go back to coding on punch cards if we&#x27;re concerned improved productivity will take our jobs?<p>We need to look at what we&#x27;re doing, and what we will be doing in the next 10 or 20 years.<p>Do we know what that will be? No. But should we get out the pitch forks when a company says &quot;we&#x27;re going to do more with less people because new technology allows us to do that&quot;?
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