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Waymo and Toyota outline partnership to advance autonomous driving deployment

391 点作者 ra714 天前

29 条评论

zetazzed14 天前
Ok, I appreciate that timelines in this space are long. But the opening phrase:<p>&quot;Toyota Motor Corporation (“Toyota”) and Waymo reached a preliminary agreement to explore a collaboration focused on accelerating the development...&quot;<p>reads a bit like a parody of corporate speak about a project nowhere close to happening. Did they agree to deploy? Or reach an agreement to collaborate? No, that&#x27;s too strong. They will EXPLORE collaborating on ACCELERATING development.
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floxy14 天前
&gt;&quot;Toyota Motor Corporation (“Toyota”) and Waymo reached a preliminary agreement to explore a collaboration focused on accelerating the development and deployment of autonomous driving technologies. &quot;<p>The current HN title seems too definite.
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jes519914 天前
Toyota has been way, way behind on electrification. I suspect they’ve been Innovator’s Dilemma’d are are in a death spiral that they haven’t even noticed yet
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prhn14 天前
The future of (public) transportation absolutely is driverless cars.<p>Every time I&#x27;m stuck in traffic on an LA highway with 5+ lanes and I see the horrendously inefficient use of space this future becomes clearer.<p>Waymos are also really confidence inspiring. They drive more safely and cautiously than any Uber&#x2F;Lyft driver I&#x27;ve ridden with.<p>If every car on the road was synced then they could drive more closely to each other and at much faster speeds. This would optimize road space, decrease congestion, and reduce transit times.<p>So I&#x27;m happy to see more announcements like this. I hope the Waymo driverless tech becomes ubiquitous.
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matt321014 天前
If I can’t sleep while it drives me to work it’s not autonomous
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Retric14 天前
Want I’d want to see is a focus on level 5 autonomous driving from day 1. (Edit: Even if the system is level 4 to start with.) Yes the current coverage area is limited, but if you live in one of those cities the coverage area is easily large enough to be useful.<p>Oddly enough I think this is one of the few times when a subscription model makes sense. The current approach has a fallback call center which can give the cars driving directions in unexpectedly situations, which could be supported by either a monthly subscription or low hourly fee. Similarly move out of the coverage area and stop paying etc.
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kyrra14 天前
This is the choice quote from the article:<p>&quot;Toyota and Waymo aim to combine their respective strengths to develop a new autonomous vehicle platform. In parallel, the companies will explore how to leverage Waymo&#x27;s autonomous technology and Toyota&#x27;s vehicle expertise to enhance next-generation personally owned vehicles (POVs).&quot;
MarceliusK13 天前
This feels like a pretty natural pairing. Waymo brings the software + autonomy stack, and Toyota has the scale and track record for building reliable, safe vehicles. If this actually leads to autonomous tech in personally owned cars (not just robotaxi fleets), that would be a major shift from the current trajectory
Zigurd13 天前
To me, it looks as if Toyota is hedging their bets. Toyota has made public statements about their view of autonomous vehicle research. Their publicly stated belief is that active safety is their focus. Things like collision avoidance, and mitigation.<p>On the other hand, Waymo has been at it for about 15 years. The Toyota people are smart enough to know they can&#x27;t catch up in full autonomy within the next two or three product generations of vehicles.<p>For their part, Waymo is looking for more vehicle platforms.
jofzar14 天前
This is probably the biggest car news in a long time
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getnormality14 天前
I can&#x27;t overstate how hopeful I am about Waymo. They are already literally 10x safer than human drivers [1] and they&#x27;d become vastly safer still if they completely replaced human drivers on the road. This would also make commuting a much more pleasant experience, which I think could greatly relieve the housing crisis in high-demand cities. Parents would have an alternative to hours of driving kids to activities.<p>I can&#x27;t think of another pipeline technology that is both this proven and this impactful.<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;waymo.com&#x2F;blog&#x2F;2024&#x2F;12&#x2F;new-swiss-re-study-waymo" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;waymo.com&#x2F;blog&#x2F;2024&#x2F;12&#x2F;new-swiss-re-study-waymo</a>
lobochrome14 天前
A bit thin. Seems like they got the MoU done first - without solving any of the hard questions.<p>Also - big warning that they&#x27;re highlighting &quot;wave&quot; and Toyota Technologies in general.
caycep14 天前
I think Toyota has some sort of subsidiary who&#x27;s bailiwick was this sort of thing? Woven or some other name?
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standardUser14 天前
I know we Americans just love to own cars, what with the rapid depreciation, constant maintenance and massive storage requirements. Who could resist? But isn&#x27;t the promise of self driving vehicles that we don&#x27;t <i>all</i> need to own, maintain and operate a 4000lb machine? I know it&#x27;s hard to resist dropping the $30k, $40k or even $50k and paying that monthly insurance we all love. But wouldn&#x27;t it be better if we could just summon whatever vehicle we need for the hour and then get on with our lives? And more importantly, don&#x27;t we all want the benefits that will come from having mostly robo-cars on the road - such as fewer accidents and injuries, less traffic, faster trips and more parking?
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incognitojam14 天前
You can have autonomous driving on your Toyota today using openpilot
gitroom14 天前
been watching this space forever, always cracks me up how we go from overhyped PR to endless hedging - nothing feels real till someone puts their name on the liability. anyone else think real change happens only when they truly risk something?
bhouston14 天前
Waymo has to start moving faster, and democratizing the space by making it available to all car makers is smart, because it seems that Elon Musk is pushing Tesla to make RoboTaxis their #1 priority:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.businessinsider.com&#x2F;tesla-elon-musk-prioritize-robotaxis-over-cheaper-vehicle-2024-4" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.businessinsider.com&#x2F;tesla-elon-musk-prioritize-r...</a>
xyst14 天前
Anything Toyota latches themselves to eventually dies.<p>Toyota and hybrid vehicles - very weak entry into the market<p>Toyota and hydrogen powered vehicles - dead on arrival<p>Toyota’s failure to electrify fleet<p>Now they want autonomous vehicles? Wonder who backs out first? Waymo or Toyota once they realize what a joke Toyota is.<p>Well at least they are not collaborating with Nissan.
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sorcerer-mar14 天前
The world would be a lot better off if Tesla and Uber get smoked on this. Tesla&#x27;s public testing of beta quality industrial control software and Uber&#x27;s attempt to lilypad jump across the backs of financially unsophisticated drivers are contemptible. I&#x27;d be very glad to see neither strategy actually work in the end.
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01HNNWZ0MV43FF14 天前
Horrible. Hopefully this will keep the Prius line going though
circles_for-day14 天前
This is what I needed to avoid buying a Tesla
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ugh12314 天前
They really need to slim down the design and obviousness of a sensor-ridden car. These vandalism issues on Waymos is not going away anytime soon
UmGuys14 天前
I would believe Elon about the robotaxi stuff if they partnered with Waymo. This is a smart partnership.
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htrp14 天前
hurry up and give me a self driving rav4!
sans_souse14 天前
Everything is terrible.
mocana14 天前
So? Big deal. Tesla is going to have FSD this year. Elon said so.
smarklefunf14 天前
no thanks. I like the fact that I drive MY car. I don&#x27;t want a sass service dictating where I can and can&#x27;t go or how fast i can get there.
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leesec14 天前
When companies partner like this it&#x27;s implicit that they&#x27;re both heavily lacking something
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londons_explore14 天前
Waymo has also partnered with a lot of the rest of the auto industry with little to show for it...<p>I wonder if this time it&#x27;ll be different now it looks like Tesla might finally get self driving to the mass market.
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