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Finland Bans Smartphones in Schools

789 点作者 freetonik9 天前

32 条评论

nabla99 天前
It had to be a law because children are people in Finland and most Nordic countries with rights that adults just can&#x27;t take away.<p>Current legislation allows the teacher to tell a student to put their phone away in a pocket or backpack, for example, where it will not be a distraction.<p>The use of phones during breaks cannot be completely banned, as students have fundamental rights. The Constitution guarantees everyone the protection of property, which also applies to students&#x27; phones. Restricting the use of mobile devices must be considered from the perspective of freedom of speech and the protection of a phone call or other confidential message.<p>Section 12 from Finnish constitution:<p>-----<p>Section 12 - Freedom of expression and right of access to information<p>Everyone has the freedom of expression. Freedom of expression entails the right to express, disseminate and receive information, opinions and other communications without prior prevention by anyone. More detailed provisions on the exercise of the freedom of expression are laid down by an Act. Provisions on restrictions relating to pictorial programmes that are necessary for the protection of children may be laid down by an Act. Documents and recordings in the possession of the authorities are public, unless their publication has for compelling reasons been specifically restricted by an Act. Everyone has the right of access to public documents and recordings.<p>-----<p>See also: Convention on the Rights of the Child <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.ohchr.org&#x2F;en&#x2F;instruments-mechanisms&#x2F;instruments&#x2F;convention-rights-child" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.ohchr.org&#x2F;en&#x2F;instruments-mechanisms&#x2F;instruments&#x2F;...</a> Wikpedia: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Convention_on_the_Rights_of_the_Child" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Convention_on_the_Rights_of_th...</a>
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PeterStuer9 天前
If the goal of school is to develop children into young adults with good reasoning and analytical skills, a basic wholesome world and social model and some practical skills and basic physique, smartphones seem to contribute little and distract a lot from those aims.
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Kim_Bruning9 天前
I deplore the fact that schools need to resort to banning phones.<p>When I was younger I imagined a world in which computing devices would be a boon to (young) people everywhere.<p>But many apps appear to be detrimental to people&#x27;s mental health, both young and old.<p>Possibly this can be changed. Maybe separate app stores are a solution (think f-droid)? Or maybe we need to start looking a lot harder at apps that might actually be user hostile.
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perlgeek9 天前
At my daughters&#x27; school, the rules are roughly:<p>* no phones during classes or during breaks (with the exception of lunch break, I think)<p>* phone can be allowed by teachers for a particular class and purpose<p>* if a student uses a phone while it&#x27;s not allowed, the phone will be confiscated until the end of the school day<p>* (there might be a more severe rule for repeat offenders)<p>IMHO this strikes a pretty good balance between allowing phones for coordinating transit to school and back home, and no distraction in the class room.
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bcraven9 天前
I&#x27;d recommend watching Social Studies to get an idea of what phone use in schools can look like. It&#x27;s filmed in LA but I&#x27;m sure can be applied generally.<p>The amount of anxiety on show is really saddening.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;thetvdb.com&#x2F;series&#x2F;social-studies-452444" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;thetvdb.com&#x2F;series&#x2F;social-studies-452444</a>
FinnLobsien9 天前
I&#x27;m totally in favor of this, but there&#x27;s something poetic about the country of Nokia banning smartphones.
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Tade09 天前
The main (literal) takeaway is that teachers can now confiscate phones.<p>Over here, at the other end of the Baltic sea, there&#x27;s an ongoing debate about phones in the classroom and some schools have regulations in place regarding the use of electronic devices, but these are largely toothless as otherwise they would infringe on the right to property.<p>I graduated high school before the smartphone era, so I don&#x27;t have much of a point of reference, but I&#x27;m leaning on disallowing at least Wi-Fi&#x2F;mobile data - that&#x27;s the largest source of distraction in my view.
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lupusreal9 天前
Where they not already?<p>In America they started off banned as soon as kids started getting them in the early 00s, but then some years later the bans became unenforced or even undone because, apparently, parents said that their kids needed phones because school shooters (which is a dumb argument.)<p>But that shouldn&#x27;t apply in Finland at all.
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geremiiah9 天前
Is it possible to fight Internet addiction without banning stuff? While it helps to ban smartphones during school, it won&#x27;t stop these kids from logging on for 5 to 7 hrs after school. We need to find ways to make people (not just kids) more resilient to Internet addiction without resorting to widespread bans, which are both hard to implement, unlikely to keep people away long term and dangerous for other reasons.
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nsxwolf9 天前
I wonder how many people don&#x27;t realize there are classrooms all over the United States where kids literally play on their smartphones and text all through class and don&#x27;t pay any attention at all. They do F work and it gets graded on a curve up to a C. The teachers are powerless to do anything about it.
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garou8 天前
Brazil ahead of Finland:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;apnews.com&#x2F;article&#x2F;brazil-bill-phones-schools-restrictions-20b95516d6e2a0f63ebb642defba964b" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;apnews.com&#x2F;article&#x2F;brazil-bill-phones-schools-restri...</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.latimes.com&#x2F;world-nation&#x2F;story&#x2F;2025-02-07&#x2F;new-law-in-brazil-is-making-students-put-away-their-cellphones-at-school" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.latimes.com&#x2F;world-nation&#x2F;story&#x2F;2025-02-07&#x2F;new-la...</a>
CommenterPerson9 天前
Lots of nitpicking in the comments. Personally I support this law. Some years ago Finland made some changes to their educational system, that resulted in highly improved outcomes. Looks like they&#x27;re trying out a good idea here also.
cromulent9 天前
Note that this means &quot;in class&quot; rather than &quot;in school&quot;.
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Kaethar9 天前
I wonder if there&#x27;s any alternatives to this that teach actual discipline when it comes to phones. Methods that actually attack the reason kids are using phones in school (boredom, social anxiety, uninterested in school etc.).
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smckk9 天前
Social media is lipstick on a pig. There&#x27;s verbal and physical abuse, exclusion, name-calling, stalking and all sorts of inhumane behaviour towards each other in real life. Social media just digitizes that and is a reflection of the ugly parts of the socializing aspect of human life.<p>The ~10% good that comes from keeping in touch with people, for example, is not really worth it especially for kids.<p>Whatever you do you are going to have to deal with the negative aspects of society in-person, and we&#x27;ve all kind of accepted that. Social media just doubles the problem.
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malkia8 天前
Not sure about other US school districts, but LAUSD (Los Angeles) had this going for several weeks now - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;abc7.com&#x2F;post&#x2F;los-angeles-unified-school-district-cellphone-ban-take-effect-tuesday-includes-smartwatches-smart-glasses&#x2F;15924439&#x2F;#:~:text=The%20district&#x27;s%20board%20passed%20a,and%20concentration%20in%20the%20classroom." rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;abc7.com&#x2F;post&#x2F;los-angeles-unified-school-district-ce...</a>
creatonez8 天前
Why does this unpopular campaign get to spam to Hacker News? It&#x27;s pretty obvious someone is coordinating these posts to influence this community. Posts and comments that gesture to the idea of banning kids and teens from using phones seem to get rapidfire posted all day long, with little mention of the lack of expert consensus on the topic, or anything that suggests phone bans actually hurt social wellbeing.
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throw79 天前
NY just banned cellphones in schools. I don&#x27;t know the exact details but its being called &quot;bell to bell&quot; presumably the whole day.
macote9 天前
A committee in Quebec also recommends a full ban on cellphones and electronic devices at schools.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.cbc.ca&#x2F;news&#x2F;canada&#x2F;montreal&#x2F;commission-cellphones-school-quebec-1.7515808" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.cbc.ca&#x2F;news&#x2F;canada&#x2F;montreal&#x2F;commission-cellphone...</a>
hashstring8 天前
Thumbs up. I think this is a step in the right direction.<p>No matter how you flip it, net result is negative. These apps are like crack, and it’s morally right to protect developing brains from that.
0xCafeBabee9 天前
Great to see Finland taking a balanced approach to phone use in schools - keeping the focus on learning while still being practical about when phones are actually needed!
intellectronica9 天前
If I were a Finnish child I would start working hard on getting my parents to emigrate, or at least send me on an extended exchange program to a country where I can still use modern tech to connect to the global network, meet other likeminded people, have access to all of humanity&#x27;s knowledge, and learn any subject I&#x27;m interested in.
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nutanc9 天前
We all know the advantages of smartphones. What we dont know yet are the harmful effects of the smartphones on young minds. I just hope we are not stunting the mental growth of our kids just because we dont know the harmful effects. Like how smoking was allowed everywhere initially and now we ban it everywhere.
jampekka9 天前
This was mostly a kind of political posturing law by a deeply unpopular government. Teachers and schools already had the authority to ban phone use in class, including that they must be put into a cabinet, and most in fact already did.
the_mitsuhiko9 天前
Austria did too.
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nntwozz9 天前
What about smartwatches? The Apple Watch is very capable, I wonder if this will become a loophole.
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amai8 天前
What about Smartwatches?
barotalomey9 天前
Awesome, finally!
lacoolj8 天前
FINALLY
ohgr9 天前
They did this at my kids school. Then issued them all with iPads which half the software they need to use doesn’t work properly on iPad size devices.<p>Total fuck up.
gostsamo9 天前
Kids should not have access to anything more complex than a Nokia with a flashlight.
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dvngnt_9 天前
Bringing my first android phone to school in high school helped me learn linux when i was into rooting.<p>I don&#x27;t think phones are the problem. I think it&#x27;s more social media. Schools find it less effort to ban phones vs how to work with them.<p>The nanny state is a troubling trend
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