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RFK Jr. rejects cornerstone of health science: Germ theory

180 点作者 voxadam12 天前

15 条评论

kccqzy12 天前
I'm very glad the article contains an explanation of germ theory, miasma theory, and terrain theory. When talking to people in real life who have forgotten their middle school biology classes, I actually hear these theories referenced often but of course without the name. The idea that "diseases stem from imbalances in the internal 'terrain' of the body, such as malnutrition or the presence of toxic substances" sound plausible and intuitive, and is true to some extent, which is why people fall for it. I mean sure malnutrition causes diseases such as the lack of vitamin C causing scurvy, and substances like mercury cause poisoning; these are real. It's just that I found it astounding that both RFK Jr and several people I've met in real life would choose to believe these while discrediting germ theory.
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taylodl12 天前
Every member of this administration is thoroughly incompetent. It'd be funny if it didn't have dire consequences for the United States.
delichon12 天前
I was involved with the raw vegan community in liberal Santa Cruz California for a number of years, and this was a very common opinion there. In some presentations I felt like the local extremist for insisting that germ theory was a good thing that led to the advantages of modern medicine. I now travel more in conservative trending carnivore circles where I haven't heard germ theory denial. On the contrary they tend to take particular pleasure in referring to conventional studies, to counter accusations of their own extremism. From my own experience it seems that RFK has imported these views more from the left than the right. Do others have a different experience?
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ourmandave12 天前
Assuming you hadn&#x27;t been laid off by DOGE, imagine having to work for this stupid clown.<p>Maybe the Emperor can appoint a Moon Landing Denier to run fucking NASA.
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yapyap12 天前
“New president of US Space flight rejects the Newton’s law of gravity”<p>Eventually you hit a point where something or someone is so stupid you can’t comprehend that what they say is what they really think. Like you may intellectually ‘know’ with near certainty that they are that stupid but the emotional centre of your brain can not accept it.<p>I hit that point with the politics of the US a long time ago, in the back of your head you think these are capable-ish people just grifting off the stupid people but that’d require such a malicious intent it’s from an emotionap standpoint nearly impossible again.<p>This is a paradox that will never be answered with certainty but given the track record of the current US president (and his pre political business ventures) I’d say it is stupidity, I’m nearly certain of it.
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iJohnDoe11 天前
We know there are crazy people out there. We know people have wild ideas and beliefs. Even smart and logical people can latch on to things that seems radical or don&#x27;t follow common sense. It&#x27;s part of being human.<p>The problem we face today is that the we no longer have adults or rational people in the US government. As a nation, the US did an okay-ish job at keeping people like Marjorie Taylor Greene out of government positions. We didn&#x27;t let people like Musk take control over everything. The writing was on the wall for a while we were headed in this direction. They were quickly gaining ground to take control of everything. The Republican side during the Trump impeachments were a spectacle. There is obviously a very large population in favor of the spectacle.<p>The US has simply failed repeatedly to get out and vote and keep the wackos out power. Well, here we are. It truly is a shame and we&#x27;re paying the price.
josefritzishere12 天前
There is a very real possibility that RFK has brain damage from long-term drug abuse.
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bastard_op12 天前
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duxup12 天前
The scale of ignorance among those in charge of the federal government now is astonishing.<p>Even President Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Camacho deferred to smarter people.
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mike_hearn11 天前
Don&#x27;t care about RFK Jr one way or another, but I checked a few claims in the article and every fact check failed. This is the most maliciously written article I&#x27;ve ever seen on Ars Technica :(<p>Examples:<p><i>&gt; Kennedy published a story in Rolling Stone and Salon.com titled &quot;Deadly Immunity,&quot; which ... described Offit as &quot;in the pocket&quot; of the pharmaceutical industry and claimed RotaTeq was &quot;laced&quot; with thimerosal.</i><p>They don&#x27;t link to the article but the only place &quot;in the pocket&quot; appears is a direct quote from Offit himself arguing that he is immune to conflicts of interest [1].<p><i>&gt; Rolling Stone and Salon amended some of the article&#x27;s problems, but eventually Salon retracted it and Rolling Stone deleted it.</i><p>The wording implies that the article had so many factual errors by RFK Jr it was pulled shortly after publication, but Salon actually deleted it six years later in sync with the release of a new book on public health by a Salon staffer. Nor were any of the errors material to the case the article made, and Salon apologized to RFJ Jr in writing for introducing them as they reduced the word count of his article. None of this section is remotely close to what really appears to have happened.<p><i>&gt; Looking back, Offit said he was sandbagged. &quot;He&#x27;s a liar. He lied about who he was; he lied about what he was doing. He was just wanting to set me up,&quot; Offit said.</i><p>Nothing in the article &quot;sandbags&quot; Offit in any way. He&#x27;s treated with kid gloves and only appears twice, both times via direct quotes from himself.<p><i>&gt; But Kennedy has frequently used thimerosal as a vaccine bogeyman over the years, claiming it causes harms (there is no evidence for this).</i><p>It&#x27;s literally toxic.<p><i>&gt; he doesn&#x27;t believe in a foundational scientific principle: germ theory ... Kennedy is a germ theory denialist and terrain theory embracer</i><p>And yet Ars admits (much later) that &quot;Kennedy seems to accept that bacteria and viruses are real&quot; and that terrain theory obviously does have merits. People who have read his book (I haven&#x27;t) have said Kennedy just wants a better balance between improving people&#x27;s general health and specifically pathogen-targeted pharmaceuticals.<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;archive.org&#x2F;stream&#x2F;deadly-immunity-by-robert-f.-kennedy-jr.&#x2F;Deadly%20immunity%20-%20by%20Robert%20F.%20Kennedy%20Jr._djvu.txt" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;archive.org&#x2F;stream&#x2F;deadly-immunity-by-robert-f.-kenn...</a>
JohnTHaller12 天前
Link to the article in case the anti-science flagging brigade brings it down: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;arstechnica.com&#x2F;health&#x2F;2025&#x2F;04&#x2F;rfk-jr-s-anti-vaccine-stance-is-rooted-in-a-disbelief-in-germ-theory&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;arstechnica.com&#x2F;health&#x2F;2025&#x2F;04&#x2F;rfk-jr-s-anti-vaccine...</a>
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Kenji12 天前
What a gross misrepresentation of RFK Jr.&#x27;s views. He thinks that people who are healthy, by means of nutrition, sports and absence of contact with environmental toxins, are much more resilient to germs and other health conditions. Which is obviously true. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.
fredthompson11 天前
RFK Jr. &quot; “Right now we have about 842 cases, Chris. And Canada, they have about the same number. They have one-eighth of our population. Europe has ten times that number. Our numbers have plateaued.”<p>He noted that for years, the CDC has insisted the only way to manage measles is through universal vaccination. But Kennedy challenged that approach.<p>He argued that people who have concerns about the MMR vaccine—whether it’s due to aborted fetal debris or DNA particles—deserve access to treatment options.<p>“And that’s what we’re developing at CDC right now,” Kennedy said, “protocols for treating measles.”<p>-----<p>&quot;Terrain theory&quot; holds that &quot;you are what you eat.&quot; Well, uh...yeah, that&#x27;s true.<p>&quot;Terrain theory&quot; also holds that ingesting pollution and poisons...poisons a living creature. Well, uh...yeah, that&#x27;s true.<p>mRNA is dangerous, very dangerous. It was abandoned as such during animal trials. The large drug companies have been facing &quot;patentagedon&quot;, the expiring of patents on which their profits are based. Traditional drugs are somewhat analogous to salves. What do drug companies want? Does it benefit them to prevent&#x2F;solve disease or is it more economically advantageous for them to always be &quot;needed?&quot;<p>There is no substitute for healthy food, a clean environment, and exercise. No amount of synthesized chemicals artificially introduced to a human body will&#x2F;can replace that.<p>Some drugs are highly useful, some are barely marginal. What&#x27;s a multi-billion dollar company to do if&#x2F;when it &quot;solves&quot; the majority of major problems?<p>The answer is &quot;perverse incentive.&quot; Factory food, factory pharma, big tech, political parties, etc., etc., etc....any entity which becomes too large AND whose major reason for existance disappears...fights to survive, including creating false need. It&#x27;s the story of human existence through all societies.<p>So...maybe, just maybe, both terrain and germ theory, like all theories, are an attempt to reduce totality into a useful modeling tool.<p>WRT that article, it&#x27;s a desperate shill hack job, not structured well at all, and full of logical fallacies and lies.
andrewclunn12 天前
The worst comments are the flagged ones. The most untrue are the dead ones. Trust the establishment to not falsely characterize their critics. Why woudl anyone call something that opens with, &quot;With the rise of Robert F. Kennedy Jr., brain worms have gotten a bad rap...&quot; a hit piece?<p>Oh baby, give me that big pharma K street revolving door propaganda! Empiricism is dead, credentialism gutted it to make a skin suit that academia now wears, so it&#x27;s the science now! Preventative care is only legitimate if you pay the health industry for it! I look forward to the day when we can just label anyone who doesn&#x27;t trust &quot;the science&quot; as insane so we can lock them up. Maybe if I&#x27;m a good boy they&#x27;ll give me a weekly vaccine to protect me from misinformation. I wouldn&#x27;t want to risk me having unapproved positions if I&#x27;m accidentally exposed.
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infogulch12 天前
This is a shallow and transparent hit piece, not sure what it&#x27;s doing on HN.
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