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Jury orders NSO to pay $167M for hacking WhatsApp users

230 点作者 Bender4 天前

16 条评论

IG_Semmelweiss4 天前
Not sure if this is too little, too late. The israeli cyber-intelligence firm primarily known for its proprietary spyware Pegasus, employed almost 500 people as of 2017 [1] . However, the US govt included NSO Group in its Entity List for acting against U.S. national security and foreign policy interests, effectively banning U.S. companies from supplying NSO [1]<p>This makes me think that NSO is effectively frozen out of the US banking network, and therefore the whatsapp judgement is ineffective to go after US assets in US jurisdictions. So, no disgorgement outside of what banks may have frozen before this lawsuit (if anything) as a result of the Entity list addition.<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;NSO_Group" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;NSO_Group</a>
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OsrsNeedsf2P4 天前
Not sure how I feel about this - on one hand the NSO Group happily sold this exploit to absolutely horrible clients[0], but on the other, app security shouldn&#x27;t depend on legal enforcement.<p>[0] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theguardian.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;2021&#x2F;jul&#x2F;18&#x2F;revealed-murdered-journalist-number-selected-mexico-nso-client-cecilio-pineda-birto" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theguardian.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;2021&#x2F;jul&#x2F;18&#x2F;revealed-murder...</a>
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walterbell4 天前
Meta published deposition transcripts, <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;nitter.poast.org&#x2F;jsrailton&#x2F;status&#x2F;1919880291667292460" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;nitter.poast.org&#x2F;jsrailton&#x2F;status&#x2F;1919880291667292460</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;about.fb.com&#x2F;wp-content&#x2F;uploads&#x2F;2025&#x2F;05&#x2F;WhatsApp-v-NSO-Eshkar-Transcrips_Case-4-19-cv-07123-PJH.pdf" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;about.fb.com&#x2F;wp-content&#x2F;uploads&#x2F;2025&#x2F;05&#x2F;WhatsApp-v-N...</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;about.fb.com&#x2F;wp-content&#x2F;uploads&#x2F;2025&#x2F;05&#x2F;WhatsApp-v-NSO-Gil-Transcrips_Case-4-19-cv-07123-PJH.pdf" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;about.fb.com&#x2F;wp-content&#x2F;uploads&#x2F;2025&#x2F;05&#x2F;WhatsApp-v-N...</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;about.fb.com&#x2F;wp-content&#x2F;uploads&#x2F;2025&#x2F;05&#x2F;WhatsApp-v-NSO-Shohat-Transcrips_Case-4-19-cv-07123-PJH.pdf" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;about.fb.com&#x2F;wp-content&#x2F;uploads&#x2F;2025&#x2F;05&#x2F;WhatsApp-v-N...</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;about.fb.com&#x2F;wp-content&#x2F;uploads&#x2F;2025&#x2F;05&#x2F;WhatsApp-v-NSO-Gazneli-Transcrips_Case-4-19-cv-07123-PJH.pdf" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;about.fb.com&#x2F;wp-content&#x2F;uploads&#x2F;2025&#x2F;05&#x2F;WhatsApp-v-N...</a>
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jimnotgym4 天前
Shouldn&#x27;t we be seeing criminal sanctions? If I sold app exploits I would be in jail
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nashashmi4 天前
Israel defense green lights the sale and use of Pegasus software. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nytimes.com&#x2F;2022&#x2F;01&#x2F;28&#x2F;magazine&#x2F;nso-group-israel-spyware.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nytimes.com&#x2F;2022&#x2F;01&#x2F;28&#x2F;magazine&#x2F;nso-group-israel...</a>
Glyptodon4 天前
I wonder about the other end of liability - if the app was so broken that merely calling a phone with it could lead to a back, it seems like users might reasonably also blame its authors.
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Alex_0014 天前
This feels like one of the rare moments where there&#x27;s actual financial accountability for spyware abuse — but is $167M even close to meaningful for a company like NSO, backed by deep-pocketed clients?
ebfe14 天前
Ok ....where is the form so as an ex-whatsapp user, I can get a piece of that 167M pie? Oh... there isnt one... :)
b84 天前
They&#x27;re based in Israel, so it&#x27;s unlikely they&#x27;ll pay. It&#x27;s interesting that Zerodium has slowly stopped their gears (at least publicly) even though the USG was buying their exploits to target HVTs. It&#x27;s like when the DOJ posts an arrest warrant for a Russian or a Chinese military official, it&#x27;s mainly for show.
autoexec3 天前
This is a great day for people who can make more than $167M by hacking whatsapp users! On the off chance that they happen to be caught in the first place they now know what their profit margins will look like after Facebook goes to court to take their cut.
TZubiri4 天前
This looks like a pretty spicy political bomb. I wonder if the group will pay, I&#x27;m assuming they won&#x27;t, if they do it&#x27;s because the Israeli government intervened and bailed them out. They are fighting a war after all.
jeisc4 天前
spying software should be illegal to sell under any circumstance the people who need these programs should be writing them themselves not buying them off the shelf
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bn-l4 天前
It’s amazing how much justice you can get when you are a billion dollar company<p>&gt; The jury also awarded WhatsApp $444 million in compensatory damages.
rpgwaiter4 天前
I wonder what percentage of that $167M will go to the ~1400 victims of this hack (that we know about)
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aussieguy12344 天前
Who gets the damages here, Meta or the hacking victims?
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notepad0x904 天前
I&#x27;m on NSO&#x27;s side here. It&#x27;s quite hypocritical of everyone involved to be against NSO but not gun makers. I don&#x27;t even want to touch civilians abuse of guns, just governments buying guns from weapons manufacturers and using them in properly sanctioned wars. People are acting like exploits are more dangerous than bullets or restricted like nuclear, biological and chemical weapons, they are not!<p>The demand is there and the suppliers exist. without companies like NSO, the price of exploits goes up and it becomes more lucrative for malicious actors to sell them to even more nefarious actors. The exploit brokers become more anonymous. And when they sell to the really bad actors, it will require deanonymizing market places on Tor instead of having law suits like this.<p>It is much better for everyone involved to tolerate companies like NSO and regulate them.
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