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Statistically Speaking, We Should Have Heard from Aliens by Now – Universe Today

2 点作者 rbanffy1 天前

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PaulHoule1 天前
I see the difficulty of communications as the X factor here which is not so unknown. Our telescopes are not good enough to see a civilization like ours even on Alpha Centauri. It’s thought now we could observe a civilization like ours <i>around a single star</i> if we launch a probe past 500 au to the Sun’s gravitational lens. NASA wishes they could do that but it looks out of reach for now.<p>A ‘type ii’ civilization which could disassemble terrestrial planets could point a big-ass laser at us which we could see but maybe they don’t all (or ever) get that big. And they have to be motivated to do it.<p>If you want to visit another star you have to stop at the destination which is almost as hard as getting to speed but if you want to communicate a message which cannot be misunderstood you could bomb a planet with relativistic speed projectiles. Now maybe the average type ii civilization would not do that but maybe the fear that another one could so that might motivate a preemptive attack. It adds up to it being risky to attempt contact so why try?<p>Consider this message<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Arecibo_message" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Arecibo_message</a><p>to a star cluster 25,000 light years away. Even if somebody in that 300,000 star cluster has a telescope pointed in the right direction and the right time we could be long gone by the time they get a message back to us or maybe we forgot we sent it or now most of us live on another star…
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FrankWilhoit1 天前
&quot;heard from&quot; &quot;aliens&quot;. Two sets of scare quotes, to make the point: suppose we had heard from them, how would we know? Why should we imagine (I know why we <i>do</i> imagine, but there is still no reason why we <i>should</i>) that their modalities of communication would have <i>anything</i> in common with ours? If they did, it would be a fantastically improbable coincidence. We have enough problems crossing language barriers between humans (and typically greatly overestimate the effectiveness of such communication); each new study of possible communication among animals, whether or not it appears parallel with what we call &quot;language&quot;, reveals inconceivably basic differences, not just between their methods and ours, but, crucially, their <i>purposes</i> and ours. We have scientists who claim to be able to measure the information content of arbitrary signals, but upon inspection, their criteria invariably turn out to embody deep, unconscious assumptions that...whoever...<i>would build those signals the same way we would</i>. Again, there is simply no reason whatever to make such assumptions.
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beardyw1 天前
If the alien life is like the scum on a pond you might be expecting too much.<p>Or the alien life may consider us to be akin to scum on a pond and not worth communicating with.