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I Want to Love Linux. It Doesn't Love Me Back

68 点作者 MrVandemar4 天前

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chronid4 天前
As a non-blind user, the title expresses my feelings too. And I feel like it&#x27;s getting worse over time, not better.<p>From little things to kernel lockdown breaking hibernate on a fully encrypted system just because you should be happy to get your laptop battery killed by s2idle or disable secure boot. Yay, security.<p>I can only imagine the pain of all the accessibility issues on top of what I experience.
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washadjeffmad4 天前
In the 2000s, a video of Nelson Mandela explaining &quot;Ubuntu&quot; was included in every iso[1]:<p>&quot;A traveler through a country would stop at a village, and he didn&#x27;t have to ask for food or for water. Once he stops, the people give him food, entertain him. That is one aspect of Ubuntu, but it will have various aspects.<p>Ubuntu does not mean that people should not enrich themselves. The question therefore is: Are you going to do so in order to enable the community around you to be able to improve? These are the important things in life, and if one can do that, we have done something very important which can be appreciated.&quot;<p>Since then, Canonical&#x27;s customers have shifted with its mission; Ubuntu Desktop is mostly a promotional vehicle for paid services, and desktop changes on the whole over the past decade (post-systemd) weren&#x27;t made to better represent the needs of our &quot;travelers&quot;, but corporate customers or Canonical themselves.<p>Userland has always been a frontier space; as the author notes, you get out of it what you put in. But we can point to discrete events where shifts of priority and reductions of service have occurred for certain groups.<p>Is there a way to understand why they now have to ask for what they were once given in the spirit of ubuntu?<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=HED4h00xPPA" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=HED4h00xPPA</a>
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tuna743 天前
As always, framing the problem as a &quot;Linux&quot; problem really makes it difficult to properly discuss it. If I understand the article correctly, Linux actually is accessible enough. The problem is that Fedora Workstation, Ubuntu etc are not. But if the actual problem is that Fedora WS is not accessible enough, then you can actually start iterating the things that do not work and maybe even think about how that can actually be fixed.<p>But the &quot;Linux desktop ecosystem&quot; is a too fluffy thing to even be able to discuss in any coherent way.
tomjuggler4 天前
Yeah have to agree with everything in this article, the state of audio on Linux! And Wayland also, &quot;not there yet&quot; for so many years.<p>As a sighted person I can only imagine the frustration, I too find myself writing scripts to keep things working the way I want.
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chmod7754 天前
Unrelated, but playing around with Orca I can&#x27;t help but notice how behind the times the speech synthesis is. The voice is incredibly distorted and robotic. I know the goal isn&#x27;t to have a natural voice with human cadence, but there&#x27;s little reason to have it sound like your speakers are dying. Maybe it&#x27;s just the defaults that are bad?
andrewmcwatters4 天前
To be fair, I&#x27;ve never once read or heard someone describe the Linux ecosystem as &quot;it just works.&quot; The entire time I&#x27;ve grown up with computing, Linux was something you tinkered with as a nerd.<p>Debian and Ubuntu were like the distros you used if you wanted a semblance of a life as a GNU&#x2F;Linux user.
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chmod7754 天前
There&#x27;s a bunch of Linux distros made by&#x2F;for the visually impaired, based on Ubuntu MATE, Fedora, or Debian.<p>I wonder what the author&#x27;s take is on these. Presumably they&#x27;ll have those pain points fixed out of the box?<p>Accessible Coconut, MATE based: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;zendalona.com&#x2F;accessible-coconut&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;zendalona.com&#x2F;accessible-coconut&#x2F;</a><p>Vojtux, Fedora based (you&#x27;ll have to make your own image, don&#x27;t see a prebuilt ISO): <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;vojtapolasek&#x2F;vojtux">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;vojtapolasek&#x2F;vojtux</a><p>Emmabuntus, Debian based and education-focused. Might be suitable for new Linux users: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;emmabuntus.org&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;emmabuntus.org&#x2F;</a>
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Achy1les3 天前
After reading this post I&#x27;ve just installed Orca (I already had speech-dipatcher installed and fully working in my vts (ttys)) on this Linux Debian cutting-edge rolling release that I use for years now... And it is working greatly here (In Emacs, browser and everything else); My ricing setup is: Linux Debian Siduction Distro plus StumpWM... <i>Could you test this setup</i> in your PC&#x2F;Lap? NOTE: I do not use Gnome&#x2F;Kde DEs (at maximum, I maintain XFCE4 here for others who do not know how to use StumpWM.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;siduction.org&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;siduction.org&#x2F;</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;stumpwm&#x2F;stumpwm">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;stumpwm&#x2F;stumpwm</a><p>And my laptop here is a very old Dell-Vostro 3500 running a Intel Pentium CPU...
arp2424 天前
I tried setting up some text to speech stuff years ago, and I ended just giving up. Everything kind of worked, except when it didn&#x27;t.<p>Linux generally works fine for everything else for me, but this is definitely not its strongest point. My general impression was that many tools were very much developed by people in their spare time, and just not having enough of it. In theory it could all work because all the bits are there, but there&#x27;s no &quot;chief of accessibility&quot; that can patch things over in the various projects.<p>The flexibility and decentralisation of the Linux ecosystem is great for some less common use cases; I wrote my own WM and some other X11 tools that work a bit quirky, but works really well for me. This would be very hard to do on Windows or macOS. But for some other less common use cases ... yeah, not so great.
pabs33 天前
I note that GNOME are working on a new accessibility architecture for FOSS desktops.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;blogs.gnome.org&#x2F;a11y&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;blogs.gnome.org&#x2F;a11y&#x2F;</a>
joemazerino4 天前
Considering the amount of issues I&#x27;ve had over the years with audio in Linux, I completely empathize. I wonder what the author&#x27;s experience with Windows &#x2F; Mac is?
prmoustache4 天前
As a non-blind user, I am struggling to understand why blind users would want a desktop session in the first place.<p>Based on intuition I would think the pure text experience of using cli tools would be superior for blind users. And since there is usually a cli&#x2F;tui version of every single gui app &#x2F; use case, it is not like one would be missing out on availability.<p>Or is it because terminal multiplexers like tmux and screen aren&#x27;t accessible enough?
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MrVandemar4 天前
The pain and despair of using Linux as a person who is blind or visually impaired. It&#x27;s almost a poem.
billp374 天前
&quot;Improvements&quot; to some software designed to damage them?
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danielktdoranie3 天前
I was misfortunate enough to be born in 1979 and was also just old enough to be cognizant and tangentially involved during major computing&#x2F;communications epochs. I was around for when personal computing proliferated down to family homes, and no longer just in the homes of computing enthusiasts building their own 8-bit computers. I was pre-teen&#x2F;teen when the World Wide Web got huge, I was around for the jumps from 8-bit computing, to 16-bit, to 32-bit and, of course, 64-bit. As a kid we had an Apple ][, and a Mac XL (as well as a Commodore 64 and a Nintendo Entertainment System). Everything but the NES made it into my bedroom (my stepfather loved that NES!). I read all the manuals and books I could, I saw War Games, bought a modulator&#x2F;demodulator with my own money, and discovered BBSes.<p>Man, what a preamble! What does this have to do with Linux? I first got into Linux when I was using OS&#x2F;2 as my main OS. A good friend of mine (who got me into OS&#x2F;2) also got me into Linux, specifically Slackware, in the early 1990s. He was 10 or so years older than me and worked at a computer store and taught me everything about computing that I had not learned myself.<p>Linux back then was HARD. The prerequisite being you had to be a massive computer nerd to even read the documentation! Linux was really not user friendly at all. The process of &quot;installing&quot; Linux wasn&#x27;t done in an hour, an afternoon, or even a day. It was a continual process over weeks really. Editing this config file here, compiling this program there (we had no package management and fat binaries were rare). Once all that was done, you had all your hardware working, and the programs you wanted running and life was good. Until the install got borked by the result of a power outage in your apartment building. Fun times. It was a massive undertaking and you learned while you installed it. Your only support was, in many cases, confusing and poorly written documentation. You could go to the Newsgroup or mailing list and get some suggestions though. Many of the people offering &quot;support&quot; were very rude and unsocial neck beards who loved to gate keep and were very good at discouraging people from joining the Linux community. Luckily I had my ThinkPad running OS&#x2F;2 Warp 3 (later 4) to email, use FTP, surf the web and read my Usenet newsgroups while I was learning how to use Slackware.<p>Linux wasn&#x27;t about it being easy, it was about it NOT being a Microsoft Product. Microsoft&#x27;s predatory, unethical and flat out illegal business practices (in some cases) was consuming the entire computing world and stifling innovation: Linux was the answer, it was simply NOT MICROSOFT.<p>Now here we are in 2025. Last night I installed Debian 12 on a recently acquired ThinkPad Yoga S1. It is a 2-in-1 Laptop&#x2F;Tablet hybrid with touch and pen screen. Everything worked out-of-the-box. No issues. The tablet features, everything works. The entire process took about 15 minutes.<p>There are more Linux distributions out there than we have teeth in our heads. If you need support there are variety of options out there for you, but you probably won&#x27;t need it if all you want to do is word processing or watching YouTube.<p>If you don&#x27;t like one distro, try another until you find one you like, or change up from the default software in the chosen distro and pick different software to install. Linux is incredibly user friendly now. You&#x27;re not dropped at bash prompt and told &quot;good luck&quot; anymore.<p>A good video here on how it used to be: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;8tHBZkYzM4k?si=RKEFQ6lLb9Xyqlgt" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;8tHBZkYzM4k?si=RKEFQ6lLb9Xyqlgt</a><p>Now it is time for my nap. I hear we are getting tapioca pudding for desert!
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