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Why I Hate Tech Recruiters

44 点作者 tlhunter超过 12 年前

24 条评论

spudlyo超过 12 年前
I hate how recruiters use a lot of words tell you absolutely nothing about the position and make up lies to make you feel like you're special. Below is a boiler-plate message I got from a lame tech recruiter, followed by my snarky response.<p>------------------<p><i>My associate forward me your contact info. and the hiring VP of Engineering is interested in your technical background for a senior position.</i><p><i>The company I’m working for is very successful, profitable and well funded by several top VCs. Also can you please email me your current resume in word so I can forward it to the hiring VP of Engineering so he can review it, the resume he has is a bit dated... </i><p><i>The compensation is excellent with great stock options, bonus, 401k and comprehensive package. I can call you with all the details on the position and company, please let me know the best # to call you at.</i><p>------------------<p>Let me see if I get this. You're telling me that an unnamed associate told you that an nameless VP of Engineering at an unspecified company thinks I'm great and has a job that pays an uncertain salary.<p>Please call me at my undisclosed phone number so we can discuss my unmentionable thoughts on this matter.
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simonsarris超过 12 年前
I do hope that I'm not alone in taking the opposite position as a default. I love recruiters, the sincere ones at least, and the insincere one's have never been a particular bother to dispose of. What remains, in my mind, is at least a little flattering.<p>I had a long comment I was making so I turned it into a post. I hope this sort of thing isn't improper on HN, but here is why I love recruiters (and a couple of exampels of the replies I give to them):<p><a href="http://simonsarris.com/blog/626-why-i-love-recruiters" rel="nofollow">http://simonsarris.com/blog/626-why-i-love-recruiters</a><p>(or if you wanted to discuss) <a href="http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4434048" rel="nofollow">http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4434048</a>
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jwwest超过 12 年前
Having been both a developer and a hiring manager, I've come to the uneasy acceptance that recruiting is necessary a lot of the time. However, recruiters that I've dealt with I've personally vetted as being decent folks who don't resort to this type of spam.<p>I become truly depressed when I commiserate with other hiring types. When I bemoan the general horribleness of the recruiting industry as exampled by these bottom-feeders, the other party simple sighs and goes "yeah, but that's just how it is" Why is this acceptable? Why hasn't this industry been disrupted yet? It's a huge, HUGE market, yet I haven't seen any significant innovation in it except for yet another job site that pops up occasionally.
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actsasbuffoon超过 12 年前
My company has been using a recruiter to try to fill two openings; one for a Rails developer, and one for embedded work. Weeks passed, and they hadn't sent us a single résumé. They claimed they were just being really thorough at screening out unqualified candidates.<p>A few more weeks without résumés passed, and we finally confronted them about the lack of candidates. They explained that despite their best efforts they couldn't find any embedded device developers who were also senior Rails developers.<p>I don't want to live on this planet anymore.
encoderer超过 12 年前
I probably get 3-4 inquiries a week from recruiters. About 2/3 from LinkedIn. I suspect that most software engineers in the Bay Area (and other hot markets) share my experience.<p>I usually politely ignore them. I changed jobs a few months ago and during that process I talked with a few. Not surprisingly, there are good ones and bad ones. That's the final word on it I think. Not all recruiters are idiots and scumbags. Not even most of them.<p>The worst ones, to me, were the ones that just spammed me with any remotely-related job instead of curating and sending me what I'm looking for. I also loath it when they give me pep-talk style, "Just be on time and don't sound too arrogant or cocky." Seriously? I'm a professional with a decade experience. This is a highly paid job. You're not talking to a University Career Fair candidate.<p>For some, I cut off contact. For others, I told them to remember me and contact me if they had anything that matched very specific job descriptions or outlandishly high salaries. Others I worked with pleasantly.<p>The best, to me, were internal recruiters and recruiters working at VC firms. Both of them have a deeper interest and better connections.
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rmason超过 12 年前
You should have posted your question in an attachment labeled 'resume'. Hopefully then he will have read it.<p>If instead he blindly sends it to the client you won't have to worry about him much longer;&#60;).
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redmattred超过 12 年前
On the bright side, you have a skillset that is highly in demand. There are worse problems to have than being bombarded by job offers :)
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georgeecollins超过 12 年前
The worst recruiter experience I ever had was in 2000-- admittedly the height of a very tight labor market. The recruiter sent me a pile of resumes. One of them was the resume of a person we had recently hired.<p>I don't know where the recruiter got the resume. But he wasn't aware that we had already hired the guy. Recruiters used to do things like that-- hang on to your resume and send it around even if you aren't looking for a job. The results could be embarrassing. I think social media has at least helped them avoid that mistake, but it tells you a lot about how much they care.<p>I used to always say, avoid the recruiter and ask for a signing bonus. If you don't come from a recruiter employers can afford to pay that fee to you. I think everybody knows that now.
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mundizzle超过 12 年前
i got 99 problems but recruiters spamming me with job opportunities ain't one.<p>given the economy and the unemployment rate, i'm thankful for what i've got.<p>just a bit of perspective
ajdecon超过 12 年前
I can't stand recruiting houses like this, but I <i>love</i> working with in-house recruiters. The times I've worked with a recruiter who's actually employed by the company I'm interviewing at, they have:<p>- Asked intelligent questions - Followed up in a timely manner - Helped out when flights were delayed traveling to an interview (arranged hotel) - Been unfailingly polite and helpful<p>On the other hand, I have never once had a good experience with a dedicated recruiting firm. So maybe all the good ones are working for tech (or other domain) companies?
johnkchow超过 12 年前
tl;dr: While not all recruiters are bad, I was better off just directly applying to companies and avoiding recruiters as much as possible.<p>A couple of months ago, I was interested in what the SF market had to offer, and I started responding to some of the emails coming my way.<p>Over the three month period, I've probably been approached by 3 retained recruiters and 10 contingent recruiters. All the retained recruiters (i.e. internal company recruiters) were thorough, thoughtful, and curated the opportunities to my career goals. Not only did they make sure that I was a qualified for the job, they made sure from the get go that I'm a good cultural fit and the position aligns with my personal goals.<p>Contingent recruiters, on the other hand, rarely asked what I wanted to do. Every single interview that they'd supposedly set up for would fall through, either because they didn't double check the position's needs or that they had communication problems with the hiring company. Additionally, the recruiters' coworkers would call me in the middle of the day several times a week to tell me about some new opportunities. I was still working at the time, and it was annoying to constantly step out of the office to hear nothing substantial. The whole process left me feeling like I was just a piece of meat.<p>In the end, I had a much better experience just getting a list of companies that were hiring from the recruiter and directly applying with the companies I was interested in myself. When the HR asks how I was referred, I'd usually mention the recruiter out of karma. If I were to do it again, I'd probably avoid the recruiters altogether and go directly for the companies I actually care about.
angelbob超过 12 年前
When they answer this question, my experience is that the answer is "it's a trade secret."<p>Even when you start with, "look, the only way to get this number is by scraping it from my online resume --"<p>"I'm sorry, that's a trade secret and I can't tell you where--"<p>"No, look, I don't care, but <i>take me off your list</i>."<p>"Oh. Right."
timjahn超过 12 年前
This sort of thing is exactly why we're creating matchist (matchist.com). If you've ever worked as freelance developer with a recruiter to help you find gigs, you've probably had the recruiter propose some Java work because you had Javascript on your resume.<p>#facepalm
ntkachov超过 12 年前
My personal favorite is the recruiters that don't seem to go past the skills section on a linked in profile.<p>"I noticed your profile - you have a nice background in software engineering, specifically in core production environments. I have clients looking for Senior Engineers who know the cutting edge technologies, and have a passion for making great software."<p>I'm graduating next year, my last job was an internship, and I do mobile development (seriously everything on my resume is an app or mobile website). Its like they don't spend more than 2 seconds on your profile.
ved_a超过 12 年前
I recently a got from a recruiter asking me if I had 8 years of Android development experience. I laughed so hard on the phone, she got offended
blantonl超过 12 年前
<i>1607 E. Big Beaver Road, Suite 250, Troy, MI 48083</i><p>Good old Big Beaver Road, coincidently, Exit 69 off of I-75 :)
suyash超过 12 年前
Mee too, but this is nothing, recruiters spam call me at Office phone at the middle of the day :(
pm24601超过 12 年前
I LOVE recruiters. They are working hard to get ME a job. Do I talk to them? All the time.<p>I got some of my best jobs through recruiters.<p>The recruiter "spam" is not to try to con you out of money. They are trying to get you more money.<p>Seriously what is wrong with you people.
benguild超过 12 年前
I've found recruiters often use Domain Tools to look up historically available WHOIS information. I'm not sure if it's legal for Domain Tools to cache that stuff if it's been removed by the owner.
Too超过 12 年前
Boo hoo, someone didn't reply to you within 6 working days during holiday season. Obviously they are idiots!!
supercanuck超过 12 年前
Their emails (and by extension yours) are probably getting picked up in their spam filter.
douglee650超过 12 年前
this is the equivalent of pranking cold call operators.<p>there are a couple of takeaways here:<p>1. you are not that valuable in the market. you are getting shitty, IC recruiting emails<p>2. you are a petty, somewhat ineffective person
squonk超过 12 年前
You need to call. Recruiters are verbal. Reading? Not so much.
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jsemrau超过 12 年前
Recruiting : The one industry in dire need of disruption.<p>My bet is on LinkedIn
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