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Bill Nye warns: Creation views threaten US science

49 点作者 bcl超过 12 年前

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Alex3917超过 12 年前
I've never understood why out of all the things broken in the US and in education specifically people get so worked up over this one issue. Evolution is one of the easiest concepts to understand in all of science. Literally all it takes is a ten minute YouTube video to explain it to a fourth grader.<p>As such, while clearly evolution should be taught in schools, I fail to see how students are significantly harmed if it isn't. The fact that these kids come communities where most of the parents are really dumb has to be hundreds of times more damaging than not getting a day or two worth of lecture.<p>(And as an aside, I would bet money that the percentage of religious folks who have a good understanding of the main arguments in favor of evolution is about 10x as high as the percentage of 'science-oriented' folks who have a good understanding of all the philosophical concepts referenced in the wiki article on intelligent design.)
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Shenglong超过 12 年前
I had the pleasure of meeting Bill Nye about three years ago, where I told him that as a kid, he was my scientific inspiration. I never imagined at that point, that he'd still be fighting my battles, even now.
kefs超过 12 年前
The Creation Museum's response is laughable.<p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-AyDtD6sPA" rel="nofollow">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-AyDtD6sPA</a>
tonetheman超过 12 年前
What I would prefer is to have creationism taught in a religion class. I do not care if my kid knows about it.<p>I just do not want him to think that any real scientist even comes close to believing in it. And I know some people do not believe in carbon dating and that is fine too. But the facts as we know it point to us not being plopped down on the earth instantly as the bible suggests.<p>Teach the facts, let the other stuff be taught in a class on religions or mythology.
vyrotek超过 12 年前
I've always been curious about how we date things so far back. It's one of those things which I wish I could understand better. Does anyone have a good resource on carbon dating or other modern techniques that are used today?<p>Also, has anyone ever scientifically argued that perhaps our dating techniques are incorrect? Could there be natural ways for the system to be thrown off?
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drucken超过 12 年前
<i>"...according to a June Gallup poll that found 46 percent of Americans believe God created humans in their present form about 10,000 years ago."</i><p>The rest of the world, even developing countries, look on with astonishment while the US undermines itself after more than 500 years since the Enlightenment!
ianb超过 12 年前
This is a good critique of the <i>form</i> of Bill Nye's anti-creationist screed: <a href="http://jasonlefkowitz.net/2012/08/bill-nye-demonstrates-how-not-to-persuade-a-creationist/" rel="nofollow">http://jasonlefkowitz.net/2012/08/bill-nye-demonstrates-how-...</a><p>The form of his argument only encourages the conflict. He clearly feels contempt towards creationists, and even towards those who sympathize with them. As soon as you've shown contempt you've given up on convincing anyone of anything, and are just cheering on your side.<p>A serious attempt at promoting evolution would emphasize how you can resolve the tension between the theory of evolution and a strong belief in Christianity and The Bible. (There's no reason to pretend this is a general issue, it's a Christian issue: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Level_of_support_for_evolution#Support_for_evolution_by_religious_bodies" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Level_of_support_for_evolution#...</a>)<p>I'm not a Christian, so I can't write something more authentic than what Bill Nye might (though I damn well could write something less offensive). But I can imagine what the intellectual tensions are. I made an attempt (<a href="https://plus.google.com/104537541227697934010/posts/TnMt9WgfJq6" rel="nofollow">https://plus.google.com/104537541227697934010/posts/TnMt9Wgf...</a>), something like:<p>To convince someone of evolution, as a Christian, I'd want to emphasize a reverence for the world as God created it, that He teaches us through the world around us, and that learning from and of that world could never be in contradiction with His word, in the Bible or as shown to us through our faith. The world is full of contradictory messages and lessons, we can't always expect to decide that one is right and another is wrong.<p>I'd want to probe how the person has chosen to resolve the tension between Bible-as-fact and Bible-as-historical-document. For example, the Bible in many places talks freely and without condemnation about slavery, and clearly this does not fit with a modern understanding of Christian morality. I would hope that the person has seriously considered this problem and come to a resolution. I would hope to find a way to fit evolution, and ongoing scientific discovery in general, into that intellectual template.<p>Some Creationists might claim, for instance, that something as complicated as the eye could not be made through the incremental changes of evolution – it had to be designed. But this is a terribly limited notion of God. Could not God create a mechanism that would lead to the design of His choosing? Is there a mechanism so complicated that He could not conceive of it and create it?<p>There is a story of creation in the Bible. It is not a recipe of how to create a world. It is a message given to us to explain the world, a world that we cannot ever fully know. We've found tensions in that story. Consider for instance dinosaur fossils. Some people have considered this and read Genesis, and decided that dinosaurs must have lived in the Garden Of Eden, or been wiped out by the Great Flood. Does the Bible say this? No. There is more in the world than is in the Bible. Does the Bible talk of electricity, or about germs? No. Would we try to create a Biblical basis for this phenomena? No. The Bible covers the entirety of the creation of the Earth in one chapter, would we expect it to be comprehensive? It is <i>our</i> burden to resolve the world we see with the Bible as written. Some decide to ignore the world. This is a lazy approach, God did not give us the world in all its fullness just for us to ignore it.
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waterlesscloud超过 12 年前
To play devil's advocate, can anyone provide a clear, concrete example of how it hurts science if the man in the street believes in creationism?<p>This doesn't seem like an issue that it makes rational sense to get up in arms about. It seems emotion-driven to me, ironically.
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