Some interesting quotes from the interview...<p>"The Macintosh will die in another few years and it's really sad. The problem is this: no one at Apple has a clue as to how to create the next Macintosh because no one running any part of Apple was there when the Macintosh was made--or any other product at Apple. They've just been living off that one thing now for over a decade..."<p>and<p>"Apple could have lived forever and kept shipping great products forever. Apple was for a while like Sony. It was the place that made the coolest stuff."<p>So Jobs had essentially given up on Apple's ability to succeed, since there was apparently no drive to create great new products after Sculley took over.<p>I've seen plenty of organizations grow stale. And whether or not greed is the factor, the result is the same: the people who were truly passionate just leave, and what's left is an empty shell with clueless people in charge.<p>Fast-forward to 2009, and it's clear why people are worrying that Steve's not at the helm, because Steve is good at this kind of "push" for progress. Still, he's not the only one who is. As long as Apple leadership doesn't start to "live off" the success of the iPhone, etc., they will survive and attract good people.