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Nathan Myhrvold's Cunning Plan to Prevent 3-D Printer Piracy

42 点作者 rdp超过 12 年前

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jerf超过 12 年前
And now the circle is closed. After decades of patenting "Physical idea X, <i>but on a computer</i>!", we are now patenting "Computer idea X, <i>but in the physical world</i>!"<p>Seriously, the idea that "Hey, let's apply DRM to files describing physical goods" is absurd, even on patent law's own terms. DRM is just DRM, it doesn't particularly care what's in the file being DRM'ed. This patent should be denied on obviousness grounds.
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noonespecial超过 12 年前
So who's going to cost the economy more in the next 30 years or so, Myhrvold and co. or terrorists?<p>Seriously, I do hope "cunning" is being used ironically here. There is absolutely zero cunning involved in "DRM, but for 3d printers!"
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s_tec超过 12 年前
Look at the bright side. Anyone who wants to create consumer-unfriendly DRM-protected CAD files now needs to jump through hoops and pay fees to Myhrvold's company. With any luck, this patent will actually <i>reduce</i> the incentive to apply DRM protection to 3D manufacturing.
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confluence超过 12 年前
Sorry for asking so bluntly but: Can someone explain to me what exactly makes Myhrvold such a dick?<p>I mean he's already rich - and unlike some lawyers put under the pump to do evil things he has absolutely no reason to do so.
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duskwuff超过 12 年前
Patented? Good! Now nobody will implement it.<p>Seriously, I can't see anyone in the Maker crowd endorsing this plan, which pretty much kills it.
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ajenner超过 12 年前
As well as the problems mentioned in other comments, this idea suffers from a massive "analog hole" just as with audio. If you can print an object, it would be extremely easy to sample the pulses sent to the stepper motors and run a "virtual 3D printer" algorithm on those waveforms to turn it back into an unencrypted 3D model suitable for unlimited printing on any printer. The only way around this would be to forbid 3D printers from printing unsigned objects, and forbid people from making their own (unencumbered) 3D printers. Given how many people have made their own repraps, that's already a non-starter.
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humdumb超过 12 年前
The "threat" of 3D printing is not piracy it's prototypes. Potentially anyone can make a prototype, find a manufacturer in Asia and start a business. In other words, it spreads the power of creativity to more people. Patent trolls, the parasites that they are, want to piggyback on others' creativity.
mullingitover超过 12 年前
If you find yourself in the dystopian future where this is built into your $99 Best Buy 3D printer, just use your printer to make a <i>new</i> printer that's not DRM-encumbered.
adaml_623超过 12 年前
I'm not a patent lawyer but does the fact that Neil Stephenson basically described the same thing in The Diamond age in anyway affect the validity of the patent?
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pbharrin超过 12 年前
This article title is totally incorrect it misses a layer of logic. A better title would be: "Nathan Myhrvold's Cunning Plan to get royalties from 3D printer DRM software". Nathan Myhrvold was issued a patent on 3D printer DRM software, good it will put a barrier in place for anyone wishing to make DRM software which fights piracy, so actually Nathan Myhrvold is helping 3D printer piracy.
shriphani超过 12 年前
This patent is extremely technically weak. I have seen more interesting approaches to copy-protecting 3D-printed objects:<p><a href="http://www.cs.purdue.edu/cgvlab/papers/aliaga/eg2009.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.cs.purdue.edu/cgvlab/papers/aliaga/eg2009.pdf</a><p>(One of the authors on that paper was my advisor in college).
Tichy超过 12 年前
How can this get a patent, isn't every other DRM scheme already prior art? It seems irrelevant that the files are to be used to print some real world objects.
jrockway超过 12 年前
"It's like all previous DRM schemes, but this time it will work!"<p>Uh huh.
jsilence超过 12 年前
I read "Now Intellectual Vultures...", realized my reading mistake and stopped reading the article. Somehow felt like I grasped the essence.
grecy超过 12 年前
Uh-Huh. CRM worked so well for DVDs and Blu-ray discs, surely it will be just as good on 3D printers! It's un-hackable(TM)!
malero超过 12 年前
TIL futuristic 3D-printers will have a 3.5" floppy disk drive and 2 sets of arrow keys on the keyboard.<p>I can't wait for the future!
mtgx超过 12 年前
When is the Government going to put an end to these patent-gathering entities?
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zeruch超过 12 年前
DRM has worked so well in other areas so far :|
Florin_Andrei超过 12 年前
This is file sharing all over again.
fjorder超过 12 年前
Myhrvold is thinking about printer "piracy" in exactly the same way that RIAA thinks about music "piracy", and we all know how productive that's been! Placing artificial legal limits on distribution technology simply doesn't work. Makers of objects that are 3D-printable need to learn from the recording industry's mistakes. Instead of trying to legislate away "piracy", they need to find ways to provide enough perceived value to consumers that they can compete. They need to learn from companies like Apple, Amazon, or Valve, not BMI, Sony, or Warners.<p>3D-printing is going to be rather limited at first. You're not likely to be able to 3D-print something as simple as a thermos-mug for quite some time! However, there is going to be room to use materials and construction methods that make traditionally manufactured goods distinct and desirable. There will also be ample opportunity to provide services surrounding the sale of 3D models, as Valve, Amazon, and Apple currently do for software sales.<p>One thing that is different from the music industry is that there will likely be a big market for bespoke designs. People are going to want items that are unique and tailored to their needs. Designing for mass production could give way to designing for individuals and industrial design could become a cottage craft. In this scenario, designers would make most of their money off of bespoke commissions. There may actually be an explosion in demand for designers since traditional manufacturing processes are not really suited to produce more than a few designs at a time. While bespoke designs may wind up being shared by buyers with "pirates", buyers will pay the cost of losing the uniqueness they paid for if they do share models. This is quite different from music. While people want their friends to listen to the music they like, they generally want to have distinctive items from them.<p>Similar to the labels that used to serve as distributors for music, manufacturers who only produce goods that can also be 3D-printed will be the big losers. Just as Artists who have treated "piracy" as the "new radio" have benefited, designers could also greatly benefit in a world with ubiquitous 3D printing. e.g. If a coffee mug you designed is trending on the "pirate" sites, you'll probably get a lot of bespoke commissions!<p>The prospects provided by 3D printing are especially enticing for consumers, and not just because it will be possible to find free designs and (presumably) save money. Consumers will have direct contact with designers and freedom from the constraints on design imposed by mass production. We are going to see the design of 3D printable models evolve to meet consumer needs faster and more effectively than at any point in human history. Whatever you're doing, the tools are just going to get more and more dialed in and perfect. You also won't need to go looking for a new design when you have an old design that was <i>perfect</i>, as we so often have to do now.<p>The only reason for DRM to exist is to protect the dinosaurs. Hopefully we've learned enough from the music and movie industries that we can be happy just letting them evolve or die.
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ktizo超过 12 年前
Given the development of 3d printers that print their own parts, I think this terrible idea is thankfully just pissing into a hurricane. Who is going to buy the DRM-enabled printer from the factory, when someone down the road can knock you up a cheaper one without the restriction.
lhnn超过 12 年前
"cunning".... that word doesn't mean what you think it means.<p>This is DRM.
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