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EFF Demands Answers About Predator Drone Flights in the U.S.

80 点作者 ari_elle超过 12 年前

10 条评论

_djo_超过 12 年前
I still think that by focusing on drones as a unique form of surveillance the focus is being diverted.<p>In concept there's no difference between a police department flying a helicopter with an electro-optical surveillance turret and it flying a UAV equipped with the same. Why is one ok but the other not? It can't be about UAVs flying higher up so they can't be seen or heard, as helicopters are becoming quieter and sensors better so that they can view scenes from much further away without being heard either.<p>Similarly there are vehicle-mounted optronics masts available to police departments that can capture video footage of areas kilometres away. I know of an arrest and successful prosecution that happened recently in South Africa that relied on video of a crime that was captured by one of these vehicles 3.5 km from the scene.<p>The real issue here is persistent video (mostly aerial) surveillance, something which has theoretically been possible with police helicopters until now but has not been done because the logistics make it impossible. That will not necessarily remain true forever.<p>Fact is UAVs will be used by police departments under the same authorisation and rules that make it legal to use helicopters, purely because the cost and flexibility will be irresistible, so trying to ban the domestic use of UAVs is doomed to fail.<p>Instead, there should be public pressure to strongly regulate how, when and where police departments can collect video and what they're allowed to do with it. That will have the benefit of not only restricting what police UAVs can do but also police helicopters and vehicle-mounted optronics masts.
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ck2超过 12 年前
They already said they are just going to put commercial airtraffic beacons on the drones.<p>Of course then certain law enforcement types who feel they are above any law (ie. most of them) will disconnect or disable them.<p>After they accidentally kill people it will be written off as the cost of enforcing the law, ala the nightmare of the TSA which everyone seems to put up with for some unknown reason.<p>Remember this phrase in a few years "drones, oh well what can you do, fact of life, they make me feel safer".<p>BTW, federal courts have already said it's legal for cops to put cameras on your property without a warrant, so a drone is just an extension of that.<p>Hopefully the video on the drones won't go accidentally missing after they raid the wrong home and kill your dog while they arrest you for resisting arrest.
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BUGHUNTER超过 12 年前
Programmers should just obey! Do not think about the orders you get! Are you a good patriot or are you against us?!? Do not criticize your leaders! OBEY!<p>Build a startup, try to get rich, and never ever talk about anything serious!
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thwest超过 12 年前
Anyone tried to find themselves in the publicly available UAV surveillance data? <a href="https://www.sdms.afrl.af.mil/index.php?collection=csuav" rel="nofollow">https://www.sdms.afrl.af.mil/index.php?collection=csuav</a>
cynoclast超过 12 年前
I know this is childish, but all I can think about it is, how if we slide much further into tyranny how fun it is going to be to shoot down everybody's unmanned drones in defense of freedom.
abecedarius超过 12 年前
I keep reading of lawsuits over FOIA requests; has it become a norm to ignore the requests until someone shows they really mean it? Has anyone faced significant consequences for stalling?
mtgx超过 12 年前
And none of the 2 candidates will accept discussing this, which means most of the people will be unaware of it.
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dguido超过 12 年前
Why are predator drone flights on the agenda for the EFF? I thought they were about "your right's online"? Did they stop working on those issues? Problem solved, let's move on to drone flights?<p>If I cared about these issues, I would donate my money to someone else. If I care about my right's online, now I'm not sure who is supporting them because it doesn't seem to be the EFF...
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cafard超过 12 年前
Doesn't "Predator" suggest "armed"? Not that surveillance shouldn't be kept within very strict limits.
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goatforce5超过 12 年前
Floating speed/red light cameras in the sky!