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Reimagining the Windows Command Line

54 点作者 tltjr超过 12 年前

20 条评论

manuscreationis超过 12 年前
This looks interesting, the tabbed effect is a major draw for me personally, but I feel like hes got a bit of a price tier issue with the rewards on the kickstarter...<p>His target price for the released product is hopefully $10 ( a good deal )<p>The $20 pledge gets you 2 licenses Cost Per License: $10 Additional Perk: Nothing<p>The $50 pledge gets you 1 license Cost Per License: $50 Additional Perk: Beta Access<p>The $100 pledge gets you 5 licenses Cost Per License: $20 Additional Perk: Immediate Access<p>And that's just a small analysis of those 3 price points. The higher points also seem a little off to me as well. It just seems odd to have the Cost Per License to vary so wildly, in my unsolicited opinion, anyways.<p>I understand trying to play to the draw of people wanting quicker access to use the tool, but his pricing model creates tiers that are counter-intuitive to people who want to contribute, but do not want to receive what could be perceived as a poor value for the cash they have available to contribute.
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tinco超过 12 年前
The features sound nice, they could use a bit more slick design ;) Why not make it for the Metro UI? Might rock..<p>If you suggested you would dive into the WinAPI and use your C++ skills to write a new console _engine_ I would gladly pledge 50 bucks or more.<p>I'm afraid many people will pledge thinking this will bring a usable console emulator to Windows, instead of just another Console2 like hack around the severely limited windows api.<p>I think 5 years of .Net experience won't cut it for that ..
runjake超过 12 年前
For what it's worth, it's very, very buggy on Windows 8 x64. I couldn't get tab completion working, and after the first dir command, everything went downhill. It began behaving like a text editor. When I typed or backspaced, it backspaced over the prompt and everything else. The kickstarter video was pretty promising, though.<p>Might I suggest you compiled x64, too? x64 seems to be more commonly sold over x86 these days -- at least in the US.
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mixmax超过 12 年前
This might be slightly off-topic, but am I the only one that thinks that command line tools are archaic with some pretty serious drawbacks? I see and acknowledge the power they can wield in the right hands, but for mere mortals it's a terrible experience. Especially on a windows box.<p>I've started learning Symfony2, and the default is to get it up and running using the dependancy manager composer, a commandline based tool. I've spent a week trying to finish the simple task of installing the framework. No success. Now, I don't make a living programming, so I'm definitely at the shallow end of the programming pool. But still. A week.<p>There are several problems as I see it:<p>- No discoverability. You are given no clues whatsoever as to what commands are available to you. You have to know exactly what you want to do. Yes, you can read manpages, forum posts, etc. but finding, learning and memorising a whole set of commands used in some program you might never use again seems like a terrible waste of productive time. Without the manual you're flying blind.<p>- All sorts of opaque dependencies. Composer for instance apparently requires git installed for it to work. But it doesn't say that anywhere. You also need to define paths, etc. which isn't covered anywhere.<p>- A million minor flaws and bugs. Until now I've run up against at least a few bugs, either in composer or in some other part of the chain of software. Only opaque general warnings are given, and finding out exactly what is wrong is next to impossible.<p>- Terrible UI. Copying and pasting doesn't follow convention, copying from a commandline to a notepad inserts linebreaks that you have to clean up manually, there's no way to maximise the cmd.exe window. The list of basic usability flaws goes on.<p>This isn't meant as trolling or ranting, although I must say I'm genuinely alienated by the commandline. I understand that text is great way for programs to talk to each other, I understand that the commandline is a great way to talk to a remote server, and I understand the power that piping, etc. gives you, so it's not like I'm denouncing the power that's inherent in the tool.<p>The problem is that the learning curve is tremendously steep, and I just don't feel it's worth it. To do the simplest thing I need to learn how a whole ecosystem works. I also have to page the information I need together from a number of different sources that I first have to find. It's kind of like having to build a car just to ride down to the baker to get some bread. It's quicker to walk than assemble a car before you can drive.
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beatgammit超过 12 年前
I'm actually glad for the inefficiency of the Windows command-line. Every time I boot up into Windows to test something, I'm reminded of how much I hate it. Since moving to Linux, development is just easier in every way:<p>* viM instead of Visual Studio has made me a better programmer * think more, guess less * I can keep customizations when I remote in and patch production code * Bash is much more productive than .bat files * Piping is amazing (cat file | sed | awk | ...) * Tons of documentation online<p>If Windows had a decent command-line (with decent documentation of course), I might convince myself to put up with less malleable tools just to play games without rebooting.<p>Don't get me wrong, Windows is fine, but it's not Unix. A better command-line app can't change that.
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joelverhagen超过 12 年前
One of my biggest pet peeves about the original "cmd.exe" or PowerShell is that resizing the window is not pixel-precise. Thank you for making this a part of wish! The snapping to the left and right of my screen works really well.<p>Although it seems it is not working well on Windows 8 x64, I am having a good experience on Windows 7 x64.<p>A couple of suggestions:<p>- Wish takes a while to become responsive after starting the program (3-4 seconds for me). I am not sure if this is just me, I just wanted to make you aware!<p>- Add a keystroke for clearing the terminal. I am addicted to Ctrl + L in bash.<p>- Perhaps consider adding select to copy.<p>Keep up the good work, and I'll keep an eye on this project :).
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alpb超过 12 年前
Man, this sounds like the best thing ever happened to cmd.exe, I will give it a try and back it on Kickstarter. But I think such a project should be developed under an open source license and maybe licenses can still be sold like Textmate.
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SiVal超过 12 年前
For most of Microsoft's lifetime, I've wondered why MS didn't just build a unix-style command line into Windows, providing a major upgrade to the ridiculous DOS. As a Windows dev, I always downloaded unix utilities for DOS and the first thing I put on any new Windows box is Cygwin. After decades of the same ol' DOS, it's obvious that MS just doesn't care about the command line.<p>One reason I switched to Mac for Web dev is the tightly integrated unix command line. I love it, but I don't think Apple does. I don't think the integrated unix CLI is any emblem of enlightenment on Apple's part; it's a historical accident. A company that believes that even granting users a "files and folders" view is giving them too much power (iOS) is no stalwart defender of the command line interface. As we make the Windows -&#62; Metro, Mac -&#62; iOS shift, the time may come when any command line access to a commercial OS is part of a "developer tools" package available only to "registered" developers who have "signed zee papers."<p>I've only used Linux servers for years. I wonder if I'll end up a few short years from now with some sort of hackers' Android laptop, built with Apple-quality hardware/software integration by somebody like Samsung for the niche of people who want real computers instead of media purchasing appliances.
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airfoil超过 12 年前
Nice work!<p>I played with it for a bit and one thing I noticed was that the "Home" key took me to the beginning of the line/prompt instead of the start of my input. Also if I backspace far enough it will start to kill my prompt.<p>One thing that would make this awesome for me is emacs keybindings.<p>Overall though, I think this has nice potential to be a super useful tool. Thanks for sharing!
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RyanMcGreal超过 12 年前
Quick note (Windows XP x86): every time I try to switch from Powershell to CMD, I get multiple "Keyboard History Utility has encountered a problem and needs to close" error dialogs followed by Wish crashing.
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kuida0r3超过 12 年前
When I work on windows, I just use cygwin with the mintty shell to get productive with a familiar look&#38;feel. What am I missing with this setup that Wish fills?
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skrebbel超过 12 年前
I want this, bad, but I'm afraid of depending on little one-developer tools. How much do I pledge to make you consider open sourcing it?
mariusmg超过 12 年前
There is already a full featured (including autocompletion), stable windows CLI called ConeEmu (available at <a href="http://code.google.com/p/conemu-maximus5/" rel="nofollow">http://code.google.com/p/conemu-maximus5/</a> ).<p>Also, cli in wpf ?! Come on....
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nsxwolf超过 12 年前
Is this a Windows port of wish (WIndowing SHell), or an all-new, confusingly named project (WIndows SHell)?<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wish_(Unix_shell)" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wish_(Unix_shell)</a>
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Locke1689超过 12 年前
I'm a fan of ConEmu[1]. I've only been using it for a month or so now but it's pretty good.<p>[1] <a href="http://code.google.com/p/conemu-maximus5/" rel="nofollow">http://code.google.com/p/conemu-maximus5/</a>
dredmorbius超过 12 年前
<a href="http://www.gnu.org/software/bash/" rel="nofollow">http://www.gnu.org/software/bash/</a><p>Alternately: <a href="http://zshwiki.org/home/" rel="nofollow">http://zshwiki.org/home/</a><p>/thread
Osiris超过 12 年前
I've never supported a Kickstarter project before, but I pledged to this one. I use Mac at work but PC at home and I would LOVE to have a better unix-like command line on the PC.
alexholehouse超过 12 年前
<i>Most features are incomplete</i><p>Sounds all too familiar :-).<p>I don't have a windowsbox available right now, but demo looks great.
bashzor超过 12 年前
Not so much "reimagined" as "an improvement for windows' command prompt" it seems.
Tsts超过 12 年前
Windows is a dead OS walking. My humble advice is instead of learning Wish, get a Linux VM and start moving your skillset, aps, ets.
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