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The New Pornographers

18 点作者 echair超过 16 年前

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jrockway超过 16 年前
It is nice to see something mainstream take such a liberal view.<p>I can't believe that children are being put on trial for possession of pictures of themselves. It's the thought process that bothers me. Child porn is illegal because it encourages abuse of children, who cannot legally consent to sexual activity. Fine. But the problem is, it's hard to not consent to something you do to yourself. So I don't really see a crime here. The kid isn't a victim. Society isn't a victim. Sure, there may be consequences for taking naked pictures of yourself, but no worse than any other dumb things you can do.<p>Anyway, I'm not sure what the solution to this is. Maybe change the age of consent to something lower than 18, so that these kids can consent to pictures, and everyone is happy. (But of course, then porn sites featuring 14 year olds will be mainstream, and I don't think society is ready for that.)
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tptacek超过 16 年前
Very disappointed that this article isn't about the band, which is awesome (but not great live!), but instead a Salon article rehashing a topic Dahlia Lithwick at Slate covered much better last week:<p><a href="http://www.slate.com/id/2211169/" rel="nofollow">http://www.slate.com/id/2211169/</a><p>For whatever it's worth, Slate has totally and thoroughly trounced Salon.
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Maro超过 16 年前
"The photographs show three naked underage girls posing lasciviously for the camera. The perps who took the pictures were busted in Greensburg, Pa., and charged with manufacturing, disseminating and possessing child pornography -- and so were their subjects. That's because they are one and the same."<p>"... the trio text-messaged the photos to some friends ... in addition to the girls' being indicted as kiddie pornographers, <i>three boys who received the pictures were slammed with charges of child porn possession.</i>"<p>Someone texted them some data, and they're charged? It's not like they requested it. Expecting 15 year old (horny) guys to delete nudies their female classmates sent them is... unrealistic.
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xenophanes超过 16 年前
&#62; There's been plenty of outrage to go around: Some parents are angry to see teens criminalized for simply being sexual, while others find the raunchy shots pornographic, another blinking neon sign of moral decay in a "Girls Gone Wild" era. In both cases, it amounts to a tug of war between teenagers' entitled sense of sexual autonomy and society's desire to protect them.<p>But jailing kids obviously isn't protecting them. The tug of war is <i>not</i> between protecting and empowering the kids. It's between <i>punishing</i> the kids, or not.
kenkeiter超过 16 年前
.. is a great band: <a href="http://www.thenewpornographers.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.thenewpornographers.com/</a>
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DanielBMarkham超过 16 年前
The tone of this article is "just let kids be kids, okay?"<p>I agree with the tone.<p>The nagging part is the fact that "kids being kids" never included making media of their naked selves doing sexual stuff before. Media which can easily be distributed to millions, including some very sick people. Media which can last a lifetime (or longer)<p>Sure, we smoked pot when we were kids, and we read Playboys too. But nobody has videos of us doing all of that on YouTube. The electronic records problem here is extremely disturbing.<p>With the current FB conflict, I'm sure that most <i>adults</i> don't realize what kind of electronic record they're leaving all over the place, much less their kids. As a society, we've generally tried to protect kids from doing things that could have lifelong consequences. Do we want to give that up?<p>The underlying philosophy is a tricky-wicket. We don't necessarily allow kids to do stuff simply because "kids will be kids", i.e., it's natural for them to do it. So while I'm all with the emotion of the article, the underlying issues are a lot trickier than I think the author lets on. You can't just skim over the fact that 30 years from now when you're applying to be Supreme Court Justice that videos of your 14-year-old self doing stupid people sex tricks could be out there circulating. Fair or not, people aren't going to understand.
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josefresco超过 16 年前
Clicked the link and got this: "We're sorry, the Ultramercial advertisement did not start correctly."<p>Fail. Flagged for removal.