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Linux is Burning My Laptop

34 点作者 cplat超过 12 年前

22 条评论

irahul超过 12 年前
Quoting from another thread:<p><a href="http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4847971" rel="nofollow">http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4847971</a><p>&#60;quote&#62;<p>If you are planning to run linux, seriously re-consider buying laptops with hybrid graphics. The graphic card might or might not run, the card switching will most likely not work, but you can ignore it since you can work with the intel card, right? Well, no. Most of the AGP, whether used or not, will eat up power, the fan will run at full speed and your laptop's behind will be hot enough to stir fry some veggies. If you have a laptop with hybrid graphics, and you can't make it work, just switch off your discrete card. <a href="https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HybridGraphics" rel="nofollow">https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HybridGraphics</a> Laptops in general, and linux laptops tend to run hot. However, don't mess with power settings a lot. Putting harddisks on powersaving mode(refer hdparm) so that they become idle puts unnecessary strain on the disk. You can try out experimenting with cpu frequency(cpufreq-set).<p>&#60;/quote&#62;<p>If you want your "discrete card off" to persist through restarts, you will have to add this to your rc.local<p><pre><code> modprobe radeon # Assuming ati card echo OFF &#62; /sys/kernel/debug/vgaswitcheroo/switch </code></pre> For suspend/resume, you will have to add a new file /usr/lib/pm-utils/sleep.d/00radeon-switch<p><pre><code> #!/bin/sh case "$1" in hibernate|suspend) echo ON &#62; /sys/kernel/debug/vgaswitcheroo/switch ;; thaw|resume) echo OFF &#62; /sys/kernel/debug/vgaswitcheroo/switch ;; *) ;; esac exit 0 </code></pre> I have discovered putting the cpu policy to ondemand causes problems with pulseaudio(your volume icon will always be on mute and ps will show a pulseaudio process in D). I stopped fiddling with cpufreq, set it to performance, uninstalled cpufreq and was good to go.<p>And as I commented earlier, I will strongly advice against putting the hard disk in power saving mode.
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jvdh超过 12 年前
Seriously? Some poorly described problem with Ubuntu with irrelevant banter about wiping Windows 8 is making the front-page of Hacker News ?<p>Half of the top comments then become a mix of wild guesses towards a solution, and the other half become a "[Windows|OS X|BSD] is so much better because ...".
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h2s超过 12 年前
I wonder about this sometimes. Every laptop I've owned in the last ten years has had this problem to some extent with Linux. It's not just a heat issue, either. Using enough energy to generate all that heat means the battery never lasts very long either.<p>Occasionally something like this pops up and I wonder if this isn't a widespread problem.
jiggy2011超过 12 年前
If you want to run Linux on a laptop you really need to think of it in the same sort of terms as running OX X or something.<p>I wonder if a better idea would be for the installer in Ubuntu to do a cursory hardware check before installation and let you know what stuff might not work before proceeding.<p>It can't be good PR and leads to this "Wifi on Linux sucks!" "no it works fine" type threads on tech forums.<p>Having said that, I don't understand the problem with Linux wiping the Windows install? The only problem I have ever had is with Windows installs overwriting GRUB in the MBR.<p>You can usually dual boot both OSes with them both being blissfully unaware of each other. So I assume he's doing something weird there.
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ambrop7超过 12 年前
If your laptop can't stand 100% CPU (and GPU) load for an indefinite time, you should consider it broken (or just very clogged up with dust). Anyway, it's very unlikely that Linux was persistently loading your system while it's supposed to be idle, so it's probably even <i>more</i> broken.
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meaty超过 12 年前
I had the same problem with my old Acer timelineX. CPU could hit 95oC quite happily and shut down. To be honest I just ran Linux in a virtual machine on it in the end. It made the difference between 10h and 2h of battery life as well.<p>This is not really linux's fault though. It has to fight with a hack job of an architecture, the mess that is ACPI and BIOS written by drunk monkeys. They really need to just fix PC architecture or get rid of it.
joss82超过 12 年前
I had the same problem, though not to the point of safety shutdown.<p>Fiddling with vgaswitcheroo and acpi settings mitigated the problem. My laptop is much cooler and silent now.<p>This has been the biggest pain point in Linux for me so far. I am wondering why these problems persists. They have a huge impact on the (non-)adoption of Linux/Ubuntu.<p>I'm considering making a donation to ubuntu to improve this situation. What do you think?
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jhaaps超过 12 年前
By far the easiest way to run desktop/laptop linux and to not loose your mental health is to pick your hardware carefully. Make sure that the components have solid drivers in the mainline kernel and you will be happier in the long run.
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reidrac超过 12 年前
I've never had that problem until I bought my current laptop about 2 years ago.<p>Gnome 3 seems to make things worse because of the 3D effects (switching between vim and Firefox seems enough to turn the fan on). I'm Ardour user and almost in every recording session I get at lest one safety shutdown because of the temperature. It's very frustrating!<p>I've never used Windows on that laptop, so I can't compare, but I always thought the hardware was to blame.<p>Yesterday I was preparing a external disk and during Debian Squeeze installation the laptop had to shutdown twice because of temperature, so now I'm not sure it's just a hw issue. Looks like something is definitely wrong.<p>EDIT: well, surprisingly I never tried to google the problem (I know, I know), and apparently there are lots of reports of that laptop model overheating with no reason. Great :(
lampe超过 12 年前
broken hardware and bad driver support is not a linux fault...<p>if you blame someone for something than blame the right people not the one that are trying hard to give you something better for free!<p>I got a zenbook with a intel hd4000 and i get better battrylife and no overheat than on windows...
martin-adams超过 12 年前
I switched to using Ubuntu for all my web development work about a year ago. I even ran Ubuntu on a £200 desktop with 8GB RAM until I upgraded to Win 8.<p>But all my work is done in a VM using Virtual Box. I switch between two desktops and a laptop regularly and run multiple VMs. I don't waste time reinstalling my base OS, I just import my VM image and get working.<p>My 2008 MacBook Pro is struggling a little, but not just with the VM and it's limited to 4GB RAM. Having at least 8GB RAM makes it all work much, much better. I get the joy of Linux, Windows and OSX with surprisingly very little headache. And I use Git to synchronise all my work.
Nursie超过 12 年前
"However, whenever I used to install Linux along with Windows, it'd always mess up my Windows installation a few days later. Last time, fiddling with Linux made me lose my Master File Table. I had all the files, but just didn't know where they begun and ended."<p>I've been running linux on various devices for 16 years, and as a primary OS for about 7 or 8. I have <i>never</i> had this happen.<p>What does this guy do to his machines?<p>Laptop support can be a bit variable, but I've not really had problems there other than the odd SD reader not being supported.
webreac超过 12 年前
For my next computer, I would like to buy a linux laptop, because I do not want to give my money to people who hurt me (Microsoft). Are there any laptop where linux works well (every peripheral work perfectly and power management is as good as windows) ? I am not a gamer, I do not tweak much my system (I do not touch unless it is broken). The applications I use frequently are Chrome, Eclipse, virtualbox, XMBC, LibreOffice and Wine (for photoshop and home made old utilities). Any advice to not burn ?
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VMG超过 12 年前
That's why I have a Lenovo s300 with an Intel HD graphics card only. Best Linux laptop I've ever owned.
phoyd超过 12 年前
All the laptops I'm currently owning run fine and cool, except the one with ATI graphics. The open source radeon driver has broken power management and ATI stopped support for the GPU in it with the Catalyst driver.
jacobr超过 12 年前
I have a MacBook Air running Ubuntu in a virtual machine. All the hardware stuff is handled by OSX, but I get the power and flexibility of Linux. With 8 GB of RAM, memory is not much of an issue.
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xradionut超过 12 年前
Right now I'm running multiple OSes on a system with hybrid graphics, but I'd love to have a laptop designed/tweaked for Linux. Either a System76 or "bunny" Huang's latest design.
halvsjur超过 12 年前
As the first couple of comments on that page says, it's a high chance that this is due to problems with power management in the open-source Radeon driver.<p>I've been running Debian and Ubuntu on lots of different laptops the last fifteen years, and only ever had problems with overheating on laptops with AMD/ATI graphics and the Radeon driver. If the graphics chip is current enough, installing the proprietary Catalyst driver should fix the problem.
sgt超过 12 年前
Most likely he can fix the problems by installing proprietary drivers.<p>However, since he still needs to install the OS first (and as I understand it, it crashes during install), so my suggestion is to put the computer inside the refridgerator whilst installing. Low-tech but it will cool the GPU significantly, and thus allow installation to finish.
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Benferhat超过 12 年前
If only Dell's Project Sputnik[1] wasn't so expensive and the resolution wasn't so terrible.<p>[1] <a href="https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4847720" rel="nofollow">https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4847720</a>
wslh超过 12 年前
I have a similar experience but running Linux on a VM. There was a background process (related to X Windows) using more than 10% of the CPU all the time.
piqufoh超过 12 年前
"I love my Windows 8, mind you. The boot time of 15 seconds is a life-saver."<p>If the 15 seconds boot time had saved <i>my</i> life, I wouldn't be mucking about with linux...
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