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The Ecological Fallacy

60 点作者 glaugh超过 12 年前

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clarkm超过 12 年前
The notion that rich <i>people</i> voted for Romney while rich <i>states</i> voted for Obama may also be misleading. While you can attempt to prove this by comparing the incomes of voters at the 100k+ breakpoint, I'm fairly certain the correlation disappears if you set a breakpoint at 250k+. You can see this trend illustrated in the 2008 election exit polls[1]. Obama won the lower income ranges and McCain won the 100k - 200k ranges. However, Obama also won the 200k+ income level. In other words, if you look at those with incomes greater than 100k, it appears that McCain won the rich; however, if you look at those with incomes greater than 250k, the rich seem to favor Obama.<p>While I suspect something similar holds true for the 2012 election, such granular breakdowns weren't reported in this cycle's exit poll summaries. The answer is probably hidden away in Edison Research's database, but the raw data hasn't been released yet. For now, you can get a good feel for the income breakdown by looking at Reuters polls[2], and doing the cross-tabs yourself, but there are quite a few undecideds and the sample-size is small.<p>And I agree that the 250k+ breakdown is also arbitrary, though slightly less so, since it's the lower bound for what many politicians define as "rich". But who knows who those with incomes of 1 million+ voted for? I suspect it was probably Romney. But how about billionaires? The point is that setting such broad and arbitrary breakpoints can be misleading. I'm sure this fallacy has a special name, I just don't know what it is.<p>[1] <a href="http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/results/polls/#USP00p1" rel="nofollow">http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/results/polls/#USP00p1</a><p>[2] <a href="http://elections.reuters.com/#poll" rel="nofollow">http://elections.reuters.com/#poll</a>
mistercow超过 12 年前
It's important when discussing this fallacy to be precise in your terminology, because phrases like "more likely" have different meanings depending on context.<p>&#62;U.S. states with proportionally more immigrants have proportionally more households with income above $100k.[1] Ergo, immigrants are more likely than non-immigrants to have household incomes above $100k.<p>Whether or not that's a fallacy really depends on how you interpret that statement. If my only information about the world is what is stated above, then finding out that someone is an immigrant should increase my estimation of the likelihood that their household income is above $100k. Being an immigrant is evidence of living in a state where it's more common to have a household income over $100k. Living in a state where it's more common to have a household income over $100k is evidence of having a household income over $100k. When I learn more about the world, my model will change, and I'll stop being wrong about this particular thing.<p>The fallacy comes when you say that the group correlation <i>implies</i> a correlation at the individual level.
SoftwareMaven超过 12 年前
As my first introduction to the ecological fallacy, I thought it did a good job concisely stating the fallacy, with good examples to illustrate it (both intuitive and non-intuitive).<p>The next question that would inevitably come up is: how do you know? I'm guessing there isn't a way short of looking at the data for individuals. It would probably be safe to always assume group data does not imply individual data.<p>And, of course, this is another way that people can use statistics to lie to you. I would not be surprised at all to find people intentionally using this fallacy to their benefit.
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glomph超过 12 年前
One example of this that I recently read about was the measurement of development in india, that for a long time happened on a family level and so missed a lot of inequality and lacking of basic capabilities and freedoms for women. Not only did this mean that the information was wrong, it also lead to it taking longer to acknowledge just how important empowerment of women is in fighting poverty.
Yhippa超过 12 年前
For the chart showing "% Vote for Romney vs. Median Household Income (2010 data)" isn't that actually a positive correlation? It looks like the income is moving in lock step with the vote for Romney percentages.
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glaugh超过 12 年前
OP here. Thoughts/questions/comments?
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