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Petition: Stop bundling crapware with Java

317 点作者 lagerstedt超过 12 年前

27 条评论

drostie超过 12 年前
"As you know people, as you learn about things, you realize that these generalizations we have are, virtually to a generalization, false. Well, except for this one, as it turns out. What you think of Oracle, is even truer than you think it is. There has been no entity in human history with less complexity or nuance to it than Oracle. And I gotta say, as someone who has seen that complexity for my entire life, it's very hard to get used to that idea. It's like, 'surely this is more complicated!' but it's like: Wow, this is really simple! This company is very straightforward, in its defense. This company is about one man, his alter-ego, and what he wants to inflict upon humanity -- that's it! ...Ship mediocrity, inflict misery, lie our asses off, screw our customers, and make a whole shitload of money. Yeah... you talk to Oracle, it's like, 'no, we don't fucking make dreams happen -- we make money!' ...You need to think of Larry Ellison the way you think of a lawnmower. You don't anthropomorphize your lawnmower, the lawnmower just mows the lawn, you stick your hand in there and it'll chop it off, the end. You don't think 'oh, the lawnmower hates me' -- lawnmower doesn't give a shit about you, lawnmower can't hate you. Don't anthropomorphize the lawnmower. Don't fall into that trap about Oracle." -- Bryan Cantrill <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zRN7XLCRhc" rel="nofollow">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zRN7XLCRhc</a>
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tobiasu超过 12 年前
On the contrary, please continue. Improve it by adding BonziBuddy and friends. Please please please ruin your already non-existent reputation, Oracle. Help ordinary people who have no idea what Oracle is, connect your name with spam and spyware (and security problems, ofc).
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Apreche超过 12 年前
Petition: Programmers, stop using the Oracle versions of Java. Too many of your Java programs only work properly with Oracle JVM, etc. Instead, standardize on another one of the Java implementations so that it can become the premiere implementation and really screw with Oracle.
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brudgers超过 12 年前
This petition is complaining about the neighbor on your left letting his dog crap in your yard, when the neighbor on the right is running a meth lab. We are carrying around phones filled with spyware to track what we listen to, watch and read an where we do it.<p>How hard is it to discern even our sleep habits? We put them on the charger beside the bed at night and tune in to Pandora. If our phones can't tell if we're sleeping around or alcoholics already, it won't be long until they can.<p>Like most petitions this one is a distraction. It keeps our energy focused on the wrong part of a larger issue and one where any leverage we have cannot create fundamental change.
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Eliezer超过 12 年前
Are you offering to pay for Java development and maintenance? I mean... someone has to. How is this not a case of demanding things for free?<p>If the petition were asking Oracle to establish a nonprofit that could support Java and offering to pay the first $10,000 toward it, I'd have a quite different reaction. But this seems to me no different from agitating for "free healthcare" without even <i>mentioning</i> who might pay for it, just, "it should be free!"
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nnnnni超过 12 年前
Go to <a href="http://www.ninite.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.ninite.com</a> and get the Java installer from there. It's malware-free and streamlined.
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speeder超过 12 年前
Can anyone please tell me why Oracle is doing that? I don't get it, it seems to me that the amount of unhappy people would eclipse any penny they might earn with such cheap tactics, it is not like this would give them a 10% profit increase.
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imglorp超过 12 年前
If you're reading this, you're probably too small.<p>I believe ORCL wants to drive off all their nuisance D and E customers, which is all the riffraff not paying them $50m/yr. After taking over Sun, they've moved all the good stuff behind a paywall, jacked the cost of legacy products and of supporting them, added onerous contracts with stiff penalties. For example, if you ever drop support, there's a big fine to rejoin. Another example is if you're an OEM they make it very very hard to simply sell their stuff. My $work is an OEM that also uses several products ORCL bought that used to be okay, but now we're getting off them before the sleaze and expense kills us.<p>So Java is probably one of those standalone business units they need but hope it will make a little profit of its own. The first attempt to monetize, sue GOOG, didn't go so good if you recall.
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meaty超过 12 年前
You mean: stop bundling crapware with our crapware!<p>Note: I have no problem with Java on the server or client, just the applet and browser plugin model.
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arocks超过 12 年前
I rarely install Java on a new machine because of their installer. It feels too maleware-ish to me. In fact, I would go out of my way to find a non-Java alternative for most software I need.
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nodata超过 12 年前
I already voted: I uninstalled Java from every Windows PC I have.
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blibble超过 12 年前
I can sure see Oracle responding to a petition on the Internet!
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urza超过 12 年前
Few days ago I was watching a movie and in the middle the java-wants-your-presmission-for-update popup just appeared over my movie.. Thats it. Enough is enough. Java is the most annoying and probably most unsecure thing on my computer.. I started removing programs that need java and replacing them with native alternatives.. the last one remaining is KSG client ( <a href="http://www.gokgs.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.gokgs.com/</a> ) - it will be a tough one, I dont want to give up playing GO on my favourite server.. but.. as long as the java installer/updater behaves this way.. I will not tolerate it on my computer.
Surio超过 12 年前
[Somewhat relevant, somewhat off-topic]<p>Commission collections and ethics aside, I actually cannot understand the venom towards Ask (its search results). I believe in keeping web searches open with multiple choices made available to users, so I actively support all viable alternatives (meaning I use Ask, Blekko, ddg, lycos, yahoo (bing) among others instead of Google for regular everyday searches). Ask search results are very much comparable to Google's, i.e., the search is not "inferior" as claimed.<p>As for ads, google's adsense ads are just as much in-your-face as the others (ymmv), so don't think this point is such a big thing either as claimed.
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huhtenberg超过 12 年前
Larry is saving up for another Hawaii island. Every penny counts.
DrinkWater超过 12 年前
Heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeell no, i am not going to sign this. Like what is it going to change?
alpeb超过 12 年前
The latest JavaFX release, which is the new way of building java desktop apps, encourages you to bundle the java runtime in your app, which gives you a lot of benefits including avoiding the problem discussed here. It's a wonderful platform I encourage everybody to look into.
magoon超过 12 年前
1) Ask Toolbar is about as mild a bundle-in as it gets.<p>2) You can set Java update mode to manual.<p>3) Chrome (and possibly another browser) asks permission before using Java on any page, so I consider it a low-risk vector for drive-bys.
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bigiain超过 12 年前
Maybe someone (and by "someone" I of course mean "not me!" - my own internet nerd-rage falls well short of doing this, not being much of a Windows user) should write, maintain, and SEO/social-media the hell out of a "Java crap-ware un-installer", which prominently advertises MS-SQL, SAP, and perhaps Postgres while it does it's uninstalling… Then get all the geeks to start telling their bosses "Oh, Java's hijacked your search again? No problem, just search for the "Java Bundled Software Uninstaller" and download it and run it!"
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rsobers超过 12 年前
Enterprises will put up with almost anything, including this type of bullshit. The cost of switching is far too great. Same goes for lots of Java devs who make their living off the Oracle ecosystem. Also, probably most consumers that install Java don't realize how crappy this tactic is.
foohbarbaz超过 12 年前
Meh. Let this kill the default Java install on Windows.<p>When I need to deliver an app written in Java to the end user I just include my own JRE. You have to do it pretty much anyway in order to guarantee that your app works regardless of quirks of particular system/installation.
csense超过 12 年前
How easy would it be for someone else to make an OpenJDK build with Windows installer and auto-updater, but no crapware?
gtani超过 12 年前
for x86 Windows 32-bit (offline install), not entirely satisfactory if you need 64-bit but still<p><a href="http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5115058" rel="nofollow">http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5115058</a>
Skoofoo超过 12 年前
This is just treating a symptom of a disease.
drivebyacct2超过 12 年前
Couldn't someone just build OpenJDK for Windows and offer it as an alternative install?<p>Because, I'll tell you what, I sure didn't get any crapware when I typed `sudo apt-get install openjdk-7-jdk`.
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martinced超过 12 年前
With, what, 3 to 6 million Java programmers I think it's going to be <i>very</i> difficult to get 250 000 signatures.
dschiptsov超过 12 年前
I think "with Java" is somehow tautological, and redundant.)