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Learning how to attract women to web development

34 点作者 redsquirrel超过 12 年前

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tjic超过 12 年前
&#62; One of our goals at Dev Bootcamp Chicago is to change the ratio of women in software development: we want a 1:1 ratio in our cohorts.<p>Why?<p>That's a serious question.<p>My hobbies include writing, blacksmithing, cooking, and ceramics.<p>In writing, around half the people are women.<p>In blacksmithing perhaps 3% are women.<p>In cooking probably 90% of the blogs I read and people who take classes are women.<p>In ceramics it's again 90% female.<p>I have absolutely no desire to increase the percentage of women blacksmiths...and I have absolutely no desire to decrease the percentage of women pot throwers.<p>Why should I want to change these?<p>Why do you want to change the ratio in web development?
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Jemaclus超过 12 年前
I'm not sure this has anything to do with attracting women to web development. These women were already attracted to web development -- or they wouldn't be in Girl Develop It or any of those other groups, right? This is about DevBootCamp patting themselves on the back for meeting their quota.<p>And regardless, this whole "invite women first" thing doesn't really address the basic gender imbalance problems in the industry.<p>In my experience (and I'm aware that this is perfectly anecdotal), the problem with getting women to be professional web developers has more to do with the industry's attitude toward women and less to do with inviting them in. It does no good to invite 60% women to a conference if they're all going to be treated badly or like sexual objects the entire time.<p>I have two female friends that I am mentoring in web development, and they are super ecstatic to have this extra skill, and they're actually pretty good at it (better than some of my male coworkers, if I'm being honest). But most often they go to conferences and get dismissed because they're women or get harassed because they have boobs (even though some of these men have bigger man-boobs).<p><i>I hear this over and over again: they don't feel comfortable at industry events or even in the workplace</i><p>TL;DR - I don't think it's about "attracting" women so much as making the industry gender-agnostic. It shouldn't matter whether I'm male or female, so long as I put out good code.
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SkyMarshal超过 12 年前
One of the best comments on this topic I've seen was by a girl at Stuyvesant on learning computer science:<p><i>"Before taking the mandated Intro class last year, when I heard 'computer science,' I pictured nerdy boys, who turned into nerdy bearded men, slouched over huge computers and click-clacking out codes that meant nothing to me. There’s nothing wrong with nerdy boys, comp sci just didn’t seem like something I would ever be interested in.<p>"This image was quickly shattered in that first intro class. Computer science started to resonate with me when I worked on my first project, creating a simple animation of a string quartet using Netlogo. It was while I was working on this that I realized comp sci isn’t about nerdy boys sitting at computers and coding out nonsense that turns into violent video games and complicated math problem solvers. No, comp sci isn’t this at all. Comp sci, as I have found in my classes at Stuy, is a medium for expression, a place for creation and creativity."</i><p><a href="http://betabeat.com/2012/06/real-tales-of-learning-computer-science-as-a-high-school-girl-stuyvesant/#slide2" rel="nofollow">http://betabeat.com/2012/06/real-tales-of-learning-computer-...</a><p>This is both true, and probably effective for changing women's perception of the field and attracting more to it.
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gyardley超过 12 年前
Pairing an activity with another highly-gendered activity will most definitely change the gender ratio of your combined activities.<p>Here 'yoga' is playing the role 'pizza and beer' does at most hackathons - I know there's tons of exceptions, but generally speaking, women like yoga more than men, and men like eating pizza and drinking beer more than women.<p>I bet you could adjust the gender ratio even more if you mixed in more female-leaning activities - for instance, you could bring in a pedicurist.<p>The social engineer in me wonders what our profession would look like if every technical course over a couple of decades was followed by getting your nails done and a wine tasting.
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zeidrich超过 12 年前
If I wanted to take up a hobby or skill that I felt was sort of "woman's only" thing, like knitting, I would be uncomfortable joining a stitch 'n bitch group initially, and I'm sure a lot of women would have reservations about a guy popping in to their knit nights. I'm sure some would be thrilled that a guy would take an interest, but it would be a novelty. I would happily learn on my own through Internet tutorials, but I wouldn't have a support community to learn from and bounce ideas off.<p>I think the same sort of feeling would surround women trying to break into a male-dominated activity.<p>I try to think about what might convince me to take steps into a knitting program (assuming I actually wanted to learn). If I expected that it would be completely women I would be more uncomfortable, but if it was more 'professional' and less casual, I would probably be less anxious. I think a professional environment with a sort of "we're here to learn, not chat, not network" would make things easier because there's less social pressure, it's more focus on the task.<p>Likewise, I think a "Beer and Pizza knitting workshop" would be as much a turn-off. I think it's just the idea that it's an emphasis on the social side of it. I know what I am doing is socially different, and the more social and friendly the atmosphere is the more awkward it is to picture.<p>For instance, if I'm going to a class, and the image I conjure is a row of desks or something, someone teaching a technique, maybe coming by individually, helping with a difficult process, answering questions. That's pretty neutral, I can picture myself there. If the image I conjure is a bunch of guys standing around the tailgate of a pick-up truck drinking beer, eating pizza, belching, and talking about their colorwork and cast-on techniques, I'm going to feel uncomfortable. Not only that, I'm going to feel patronized by the class.<p>Now, obviously regardless of the circumstances, the class is not going to be at all like either of those images in my head. But what would cause me to choose to sign up or not has far more basis on that picture.<p>I think if you want to encourage women to join your class, advertise it in a way that makes it look like it's not judgmental, like it's not patronizing. Something that's not some apparantly watered down "web design for women" class. Keep it professional, respectful, and above board. Include women in your advertising material.<p>If I wanted to learn to knit, and I came across a class that wasn't billed as a sort of chatty woman's group but instead just a class on techniques; if it made it apparent in their description that men were welcome; and it wasn't directed at specifically ignorant men who wanted to learn so they could say they can do it too; then I would be comfortable going. Past that, I would have to know it exists, so if there was some sort of men's knitting mailing list that I was on, it would be a good place to send it.
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eliza1wright超过 12 年前
I was also expecting something different, but I like the overall tone of "Women are welcome here, and they're welcome to <i>speak</i>." I think a lot of tech companies get the first one right, but they don't know how to communicate the second point. With study after study showing that women speak less when surrounded by men, promoting the event woman-to-woman sends a powerful message.
shanelja超过 12 年前
I thought the title was 'Learning how to attract women with web development', so the article wasn't exactly what I was expecting, but still a great (if short) read.<p>Could you elaborate further on what you did exactly to get the male attendants percentage to decrease and the effect you think it had?<p>I'm assuming that you expected the female name to draw attention to the fact that a woman was in charge, or something similar, but I will however note than on the second Tweet posted, there were more comments from Males than Females.
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nmcfarl超过 12 年前
Looks like the set out to do this, and succeed with just a few simple changes to the marketing plan and adding Yoga to the days line up. The last seems like a nice technique to me as it sends the message that "women are welcome here" while not saying that in the materials (As such explicit marketing to a particular demo tends to change the feel of the event for everyone else).<p>On the whole quite simple - and in their case effective.
unreal37超过 12 年前
I would agree that technology (development) is a field that is not always friendly towards women. Being a male dominated field (like construction, auto mechanics, airline pilots, doctors, lawyers, politics are all male-dominated as well) means that ideas from women are sometimes dismissed simply because they are from women, or unnecessary sexual or sexist comments are made that make women not feel welcome. I think that's an area this industry needs to improve upon, being more welcome.<p>But that's not to say it needs to be 1:1. (There's no high-paid profession that is 1:1, is there?) I think it's valid to question that we need to have an equal ratio, although I agree we have to improve a lot.
bobzimuta超过 12 年前
I'm exhausted by this ironic and sexist, never-ending debate of the why and how to get more women into tech. If we* want to treat women equally, why is it our duty to provide support structures and incentives?<p>*we as in the general HN audience, which is safely assumed to be largely male
sixbrx超过 12 年前
I misread this as "How to attract women to web developers". Boy was I disappointed...
sidcool超过 12 年前
I read the first 5 words and got excited!!!
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