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TPB AFK: Watch and Download The Pirate Bay Documentary

161 点作者 derpenxyne超过 12 年前

12 条评论

grecy超过 12 年前
For all the people arguing this is glorifying breaking the law, it's worth keeping in mind all the people that stood up against segregation in the southern US states, or Apartheid in South Africa, or any number of laws that were considered "immutable" and carried severe penalties.<p>Yes, these actions are against current laws, but at citizens of the world we have a responsibility to stand up and make our voices heard if we ever hope to change anything. Many people will go to jail and pay big fines in the near future, but that is the way it has always been to influence great change.
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austinl超过 12 年前
I thought the arguments about how the market should evolve to handle piracy were very interesting.<p>With that, I truly appreciate Gabe Newell's perspective on the issue: "Our goal is to create greater service value than pirates, and this has been successful enough for us that piracy is basically a non-issue for our company... prior to entering the Russian market, we were told that Russia was a waste of time because everyone would pirate our products. Russia is now about to become our largest market in Europe." [1]<p>Valve's solution: Create an altogether better service. Be more convenient than piracy.<p>It's a challenge for many industries to replicate what Valve has done, but I know for a fact that I buy games on Steam I could easily pirate because the quality of service is so great.<p><a href="http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-11-28-valve-piracy-a-non-issue-for-steam" rel="nofollow">http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-11-28-valve-piracy-a-...</a>
dewey超过 12 年前
If you enjoy this movie you should also watch <a href="http://www.stealthisfilm.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.stealthisfilm.com/</a>
mtgx超过 12 年前
Why doesn't Youtube have better font support for subtitles? Or is this the fault of the people uploading them? I almost always find subtitles on Youtube too small and hard to read from more than 1m distance.
contingencies超过 12 年前
Wow. What a tremendously strong and difficult gesture, surrendering the less than impressive nature of their internal struggles and personal character flaws to the public through a documentary like this. Much respect to all of those involved, including the film maker. With examples like this we can look ahead with the hopes of a better world.
orangethirty超过 12 年前
May anyone offer a good synopsis of the movie? If you know of a good blog post about it you may post it too. Thank you.
jiggy2011超过 12 年前
Is anyone else getting a terrible download speed for this? I'm on the 720p torrent and getting 65kps despite there being thousands of seeds.
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mattbarrie超过 12 年前
At 1:02:30 you can probably figure out his laptop password.
dylangs1030超过 12 年前
People aren't arguing the same things here.<p>One side argues that piracy is a misnomer; that there are no true claims to digital property and that sharing is allowed at no cost for everyone. They highlight the injustices of the entertainment industry and "big business" poisoning both artists and consumers.<p>The other side argues that piracy is stealing with no room for moral relativism, and that people measurably suffer as a result of it.<p>We need to condense these and actually argue against the same things. First, let's examine what qualifies as fair use for sharing. It is true that the internet allows people to share media and idea in an unprecedented way, and that we are allowed access to things as a basic right, no matter where in the world we are. Sharing and public access to material is virtually universal, this is something that is agreeable.<p>Now let's examine property rights and intellectual ownership. Property is anything that can be owned, although one could introduce semantics and change the definition to anything which is of value, or a resource. In either case, patents, copyrights and trademarks are all viable forms of property in the same way land is property. That it is easier to steal a virtual form of property than it is to steal a house does not diminish the fact that media is a valuable resource which can be represented by a medium of exchange (e.g. money, currency).<p>In other words, when you pirate something, you are stealing media which is property. Property can be leased, bought, gifted and sold. It can also be partitioned and divided into smaller units. This brings us to a feasible view of property that can preside over both land <i>and</i> virtual media - property is the archetype itself, and property represents the <i>greatest whole unit</i> - under this definition, an album is a whole unit which could be worth hundreds of millions of dollars. Similarly, a movie could be worth a billion dollars. But they are sold in much smaller units which are mirror forms of the original, albeit in single form.<p>And this represents property for the same reason that selling an acre of a much larger form represents property - you are still selling a portion of a greater whole.<p>We have thus eliminated one of the biggest arguments against virtual media representing property, and being ineligible for protection from forms of stealing.<p>So we can now come to a reasonable agreement that piracy represents taking a form of property without paying for it, be it leasing or purchasing. And thus, piracy is equivalent to stealing.<p>The only remaining point is whether or not stealing is justified in light of the often unethical business practices the entertainment industry subjects its incumbents to, most notably the artists.<p>This is a much greater discussion to have, but I am of the opinion that it is not fair to those who produce or create the media to steal it. You do not know how much money they will lose, and you also do not know how much you would really "stick it to the man" to steal.<p>Is it worth depriving a farmer of his grain to send a message to the government? The answer must agree with your answer to whether or not it is fair and justified to steal from an artist to send a message to the industry supporting him.<p>So, now I bring my point full circle. Is sharing a universal right? Yes. But you do not share your property at no cost. Are people given the right of access? Yes, but that access is limited to surveying and browsing property. You are not allowed to squat on a home, and neither are you allowed to steal media. But you are given basic access to both of these things and presented with a choice to buy them or turn them down. These are the two options implicit in access. The problem is that people believe there are other options implicit in the right to access, and they act accordingly.<p>What further confuses the issue is ideological baggage associated with the "warez" culture. Adding a label to your identity is a handy antidote to guilt and ethical considerations, but it does not hold up to raw logical examination.
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paulhauggis超过 12 年前
Peter Sunde is all about freedom and "sharing". Yet, his site "Flattr" charges a higher service fee than any other service of its kind.<p>Here is from the flattr site:<p>"On incoming revenue you keep 90%. When you add money to give to others or withdraw money you earned you only pay a fee to the payment provider you choose."<p>So, they charge 10%. Paypal doesn't even charge you anything close to this. I also like how they tried to make it sound like it's not that bad, by talking about how much you actually get to keep rather than the fee itself.<p>I guess you need to make a profit/pay for server/infrastructure costs...so do artists, movie makers, and software developers.<p>It's so easy to take the hard work of others and in most cases, against the wishes of the original content creator, and just give it out for free. Anybody can buy a couple of servers, index a bunch of content, and put it up in a foreign country.<p>TPB isn't fighting for your freedom. They are helping in the demise of independent artists. Sure, you will always have a few people that play for free because it's fun, but because of the current state of the Internet (the new generation feels like they are entitled to music and anything else online, for free), it's going to be very difficult to actually make a living unless you are signed to a major label.
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MrJagil超过 12 年前
Ugh, the color-grading puts me off immediately...
ameen超过 12 年前
Rather than glorifying the act of piracy, this movie does a wonderful job of exposing the founders.<p>One of them is an Alcoholic right-wing racist, another a drug addict.<p>Peter Sunde seems to be the only person who who seems vaguely normal.<p>I wish teenagers, children and other "pirates" realize that there is no glory in associating themselves with these sociopaths.
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