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Ask HN: A friend has a plan to get a job in UK, worried about legal implications

5 点作者 gallinaponedora超过 12 年前
Hi, I'm asking on behalf of a good friend and fellow programmer who is looking for a job in London, UK after being made redundant recently.<p>She told me that virtually every offer in job boards are posted by recruiters, who liaise with the companies to help them get candidates.<p>She used recruiters in the past to get her previous job and told me of the ordeal that was to deal with most of them, who conducted themselves with a remarkable lack of morals, taking advantage of her naivety. She was threatened, harassed, verbally abused, lied, etc. She went once to an office were the first thing they did was to ask for her passport to make a photocopy without asking her first and much much more.<p>So she wants to avoid them now, the problem is that they are few offers of employment that aren't advertised through them and most of them are in boards like this that are used by start ups while she prefers working in medium or "big co" where her experience can command a higher salary.<p>To the point: her plan is to create a fake cv with a different name, talk to the recruiters, get the companies name out of them and apply to those companies on her own. I'm concerned about her because she doesn't know for sure whether she would be breaking the law or not doing this, and she could end in a bad position being in legal trouble, possible blacklisted and unemployed.<p>Can someone offer some insight here. What would you do in her situation? She would really loathe to deal with those people again.<p>Thanks.<p>Otherwise if you want to write to her directly send me a pm for her email address.<p>PD: I'm mainly a lurker but decided to ask for help here today for the first time, as it was the first place I could think of for this purpose. I know there are many people from UK here too.

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notahacker超过 12 年前
She sounds a bit paranoid to me: checking passports is in theory part of a UK employment agency's legal obligations. If that's the sort of thing she's inclined to make a fuss about, it's not surprising if they were less than polite and helpful afterwards. Sure, recruiters also exaggerate how good some positions are, claim advertised jobs are filled and offer alternatives you're not interested in or suitable for, but employers do that too. Recruiters don't have a great reputation, but that's more down to them being expensive for employers and annoyingly persistent than dangerously immoral.<p>There probably aren't any legal issues with sticking up a fake CV if you get hired on the basis of a real one, but rest assured it's not going to look good with employers if she applies for positions they haven't got round to advertising yet or if they end up with a copy of two suspiciously similar CVs with similar names, or if it turns out the third party recruiter is actually being retained to do the initial screening interview (it happens!)<p>If she's worried about having her passport photocopied she doesn't sound savvy enough to be doing what the recruiter will consider to be cheating them out of commission, and even an employer that's quietly pleased not to be paying commissions will worry about dishonesty if she gets found out.
CWIZO超过 12 年前
I'm a Slovenian currently looking for a job in London. As far as I can tell there are many "direct" job postings. You just have to look a bit:<p><a href="http://www.cwjobs.co.uk/" rel="nofollow">http://www.cwjobs.co.uk/</a> <a href="http://roundabout.io/" rel="nofollow">http://roundabout.io/</a> <a href="http://workinstartups.com/" rel="nofollow">http://workinstartups.com/</a> <a href="http://www.gumtree.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.gumtree.com/</a> <a href="https://jobs.github.com/positions?description=&#38;location=london" rel="nofollow">https://jobs.github.com/positions?description=&#38;location=...</a> <a href="http://www.3-beards.com/jobs" rel="nofollow">http://www.3-beards.com/jobs</a> <a href="http://careers.stackoverflow.com/" rel="nofollow">http://careers.stackoverflow.com/</a> ...<p>I've also had good experience with recruiters so far. Haven't gotten a offer yet, but I did get a face-to-face interview for next friday :)
pcowans超过 12 年前
It's certainly not difficult to apply directly to the big tech players - you can find these pretty easily with '&#60;company name&#62; uk careers' Google searches:<p><a href="http://www.google.co.uk/about/jobs/locations/london/" rel="nofollow">http://www.google.co.uk/about/jobs/locations/london/</a> <a href="https://www.facebook.com/careers/locations/london" rel="nofollow">https://www.facebook.com/careers/locations/london</a> <a href="https://jobs.apple.com/uk/search?jobFunction=SFWEG#&#38;t=0&#38;sb=req_open_dt&#38;so=1&#38;j=SFWEG&#38;lo=0*GBR&#38;pN=0" rel="nofollow">https://jobs.apple.com/uk/search?jobFunction=SFWEG#&#38;t=0&...</a> <a href="http://careers.microsoft.com/careers/en/gb/home.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://careers.microsoft.com/careers/en/gb/home.aspx</a> <a href="http://www.ibm.com/employment/uk/" rel="nofollow">http://www.ibm.com/employment/uk/</a><p>I don't really have any experience applying to mid-range companies, but intuitively it doesn't feel right that anyone should feel the need to conceal their identity when searching for a developer role, especially if your friend is experienced enough to be optimising salary rather than worrying about getting a job at all. Are you sure there hasn't been a misunderstanding?
jrogers65超过 12 年前
Being a web developer in London who has dealt with many agencies, I call bullshit on this. Not one recruiter who I have dealt with has been a problem for me, quite the opposite, in fact. There is something wrong with your friend's perception of reality; that is to say, she is delusional and paranoid.
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hazza1超过 12 年前
Not sure in which field your friend works but I'd say things are no longer like this, most medium to large firm resent paying for agents so put their jobs up on their websites and encourage applicants.<p>Pretty much go to any major firms homepage and they'll have a list of open positions that you can apply directly for.<p>Personally I've never had an issue with using recruiters and have used them in conjunction with applying myself. I prefer the buffer of using them but you can't beat your own research.
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MattBearman超过 12 年前
I'm a UK based Web developer, and about three years ago I was looking for a job in the London area. While some of the recruiters I spoke to were a little bit pushy, they were nothing like the experience your friend previously had. So I think the fake cv thing is probably unnecessary.