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Email transparency

219 点作者 xal超过 12 年前

16 条评论

greggman超过 12 年前
I've known companies that had pretty good email policies....until they got sued and every email debate was turned into the evidence that they knew X or considered Y or thought about Z and were therefore guilty. :-(
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jsaxton86超过 12 年前
"We use Gmail for email and Google Groups for lists."<p>"What we have today works pretty well for our current size—around 45 people."<p>So if I can manage to get the Google authentication credentials for just one of Stripe's 45 employees, I can get access to the vast majority of Stripe's email? I hope they require two factor authentication.
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shykes超过 12 年前
Very cool experiment. How do you deal with less technical people in the team who don't find it fun to tweak email filters all day long? Is your tooling to the point of polish where that's no longer an issue? Or are you simply at a stage where you don't (yet) need to hire non technical people? We've found this to be the main obstacle in getting full adoption for things like this.
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pbiggar超过 12 年前
This is cool. We had cargo-culted the idea of open email and CCing the entire company at CircleCi, so its great to see the details exposed. Looks like that structure will be really useful once we get a few more people.
nands超过 12 年前
Lists work well to a certain extent but would not be suitable for a number of cases. Say a team member decides to add an existing email conversation to the list at a later point in time. This would break the original email thread structure when added to list. What happens to an email in a conversation which came from someone outside the company. Someone forwards it to list again? Say someone forgets to do a "reply all" in an ongoing conversation, this email never lands up in the list.<p>We like using email for most of our tasks too. We use our own product GrexIt's (<a href="http://grexit.com" rel="nofollow">http://grexit.com</a>) Shared Labels to share information and even collaborate right from our email inbox. Shared labels allow you to share particular Gmail label among a group of people in your company. Every email conversation on which a shared label is applied gets pushed to the user's inbox who were part of the shared label. All followup emails that arrive in an ongoing conversation also keep getting shared automatically. This approach requires minimal effort to share information and works better than lists. Most importantly users continue to access information from their inbox itself.<p>We use the shared labels approach for a variety of use cases like support and development. As soon as support email arrives to the support@ email-id it get shared with everyone. We have shared labels with every team member's name, say Task:John. To assign an email to someone, we simply apply the user's shared label on that email. This allows us to collaborate easily without needing any 3rd party tools
silverlake超过 12 年前
Why not use Yammer or similar? We are trying G+ for business apps. It's ok.
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codenerdz超过 12 年前
Nearly all of these use cases are covered by a number of social enterprise platforms such as Yammer or Socialcast without the need for new employees to setup filters.<p>In Socialcast activity streams can be filtered by groups which could be public, private or externally facing(meaning you can invite people outside your company to participate in them). People can be notified directly by @-mentioning them in your posts and so forth. And of course all the content is searchable and filterable.<p>The usefulness of these social enterprise tools was not clear to me until I saw it being used in both a 40-people company and a 13,000-people company. It brings about collaboration, transparency, a way for people to discuss their issues and to often vent about things they dont like.<p>Maybe its time for Stripe to check it out too :)<p>Disclaimer: I work for Socialcast, the VMWare company
Maascamp超过 12 年前
This is an interesting tactic. I think it can work well for companies up to a certain size, at which point new hires start getting auto added to certain lists and you start to have enterprise email issues (I think Stripe will manage to avoid this fate though) ;)<p>This is a timely article for me though. We actually did a Show HN earlier today for a product (lightermail.com) whose ideal use is exactly this scenario. It allows people to control the flow of email from specific senders or domains. We see it being ideal for companies who have these sort of mailing lists, because it allows employees to subscribe to all the relevant lists without getting distracted by all the associated email throughout the day.<p>Good luck with your experiment! It will be interesting to see how it goes.
noahl超过 12 年前
I'm curious about your thoughts on mailing lists vs. private newsgroups. I think of email and news as just two different ways of sharing MIME messages, with the difference that email is sent to specific people and newsgroups are stored on a server and can be archived and made (semi-)public.<p>I realize that newsgroups have received much, much less attention than email recently, and it may just be that there isn't enough software support for news to make it worth bothering with, but it does seem like a mailing list with archives is a lot like what news was trying to accomplish. (The only other big difference I can think of is push vs. pull notifications. But newsgroup readers can fetch all new messages, so I don't think that's a big deal.)
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ngoel36超过 12 年前
When I was an engineer at Google, most Googlers tended to handle the email the same way. And of course, all 50k+ employees used the same Gmail and Google Groups as you and me.<p>I absolutely loved the system, and I've convinced my startups and organizations use solely Google Groups to communicate as well. Especially as an engineer in a company with thousands of simultaneous projects, it was extremely helpful to have a searchable archive of every conversation or set of meeting notes that was relevant to something I was working on.<p>The legal liabilities, however, that this system could obviously bring up, as greggman mentioned, are an entirely different conversation.
d0m超过 12 年前
How do you handle customers' emails? Is support@stripe going to a "support" mailing list? How do you make sure every email is answered only once? I.e. that all the team can see the conversation and can opt-in optionally. Thanks!
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Terretta超过 12 年前
Part of the issue around transparency is that email inbox silos may be the wrong tool for a collaborative and productive tech company.<p>In general, email is now being seen (as often remarked by ShowHN MVPs) as To Do lists, and in a tech shop, multiple people have an interest in that process. This results in unenforceable policies about To: vs Cc: and unwieldy threads you're never sure if you should delete the tail nested indent history from. As the ShowHN projects assert, email's a poor To Do list tracker.<p>To refine that slightly, emails tend to be <i>requests</i>.<p>You don't create a new email thread to give yourself a To Do item. You create a new email thread to ask someone for something. The recipient doesn't care about your agenda. You're the interested party asking, and you need to track your requests.<p>Employees and clients email requesting action from someone: do this for me, let me do this for you, give me a resource, read this, take action on this, file this, and of course, receive a copy of this to cover my ass. Your To Do items (emails) are now in their lists (inboxes), and once there, you've lost control over the prioritization and handling of them. You'll probably lose visibility too, the moment you stop getting CC'd on your own email thread.<p>So, we quit using email.<p>Instead, we use Request Tracker, tracking all those requests. Instead of the Inbox, we have the RT dashboard, backed by automation with full extensibility:<p><pre><code> http://bestpractical.com/rt/screenshots.html http://bestpractical.com/rt/features.html http://bestpractical.com/rt/extensions.html </code></pre> We all use it, and clients are trained (by sales, by contract, and by firm account managment and support response) to use tickets for anything as well. If there's no ticket, you didn't really request it. RT makes this easy, because the client can still just use email -- there's no web interface (well, there is, but they don't have to use it) for them to have to learn. They can just email a team (internally, an RT "ticket queue") and be sure the team will sort out who's handling it with an SLA promise.<p>If someone on a team has a family emergency, it's no issue, as anyone else on the team can take over that person's tickets till they're back, and immediately see the whole history.<p>All this is public within the company and fully searchable, going back about a decade.<p>When I said above we quit using email, I lied!<p>We actually all use email, but what we're emailing are RT tickets. So throughout the day, we can use any email capable device in the world to interact with this shared request handling history. RT automates the history and the cc lists. You can search your own requests using your email client, or hit the web interface to search everything. Through the web interface we enjoy the benefits of the dashboard summary, automatic response SLA monitoring, cross linked issue tracking, and visibility/searchability by everyone.<p>Note that RT can pick apart email addresses and subject lines, so you can route all your RT queues through a single Gmail account if you want, spam protecting your system and giving you a master archive searchable using Google's search tools as well.<p>Stripe is essentially slowly reinventing Best Practical's Request Tracker. Might be worth giving RT a try.
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redmattred超过 12 年前
That sounds like a lot of email to keep up with.
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jorangreef超过 12 年前
I have been working on this use case of private/shared email and have been testing in private beta for a year with a firm of 40 staff. If you are interested, please send me an email (joran@ronomon.com).
buro9超过 12 年前
What software do you use to run the lists? Just some majordomo, or mailman software?
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us3rn4m3超过 12 年前
ahem. what you have described, is Yammer...