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A warning to college profs from a high school teacher

233 点作者 chwolfe超过 12 年前

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DanielBMarkham超过 12 年前
The problems with this essay are legion. I find it ironic to be correcting an essay of a teacher complaining about the lack of critical thinking in the youth. Or perhaps "sadly ironic" would be a better phrase.<p>I think the worst offender is the idea that people who don't do X cannot sit in judgment of those who do X. Our entire system of democracy -- of jurisprudence -- rests on informed citizens making judgments about areas where they spend their money. Nobody gets a free ride. I get to vote on whether the fire station gets a new truck whether or not I've ever been a fireman, whether or not I've ever driven a truck, and whether or not my house has ever been on fire. To do this any other way is insane.<p>The saddest part is that the public education system took a reasonable request -- measure your performance -- and turned it into a bureaucratic nightmare. I hate to be blunt but I'll just say it: these folks shouldn't be trusted with sharp objects, much less our kids' education. They (the administration, the consultants, the "blob", the politicians) are part of the problem, not part of the solution. Testing has nothing to do with anything.<p>As sharp as my criticism is, I mean it in the aggregate. There are no bad people here, only a bad, overly complex system that is failing our children. It's a scandal, and removing testing isn't going to do anything but make it less visible. This is very much akin to the attitude of "Why do we need testers? All they ever do is complain!"<p>I'm not going to continue my analysis because this is an old, tired road, and full of little homespun essays like this which are supposed to make us take sides. I refuse to. We need tests. Period. In my mind once the tests leave, the teachers leave, because I'm not writing a check for something I can't measure. The rest of it? I'm perfectly open to discussions about the kinds of tests, the types of measurements that would be acceptable, and so on. We've taken a good idea and made a monster out of it, yes. But that doesn't make it a bad idea, that just is another indication of how totally screwed the system we've created is.
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jug6ernaut超过 12 年前
While I agree with most if not all of what was said in this piece I think there is something it misses on completely. While this is my opinion I believe it to be true.<p>Our schooling systems have there faults, large ones, but they are NOT the main issue. I firmly believe that any student who wants to learn will learn. Students have to WANT to do well. The way our society has (progressed?) over the last few decades this drive to do well has pretty much evaporated. Since probably after WW2.<p>IDK if this is still the case but when i was in HS some 6-7 years ago i came into the start of "No Child Left Behind". We had the standardized tests, the passing grade was 30%. Students still failed, and these students were still allowed to progress to the next level. While I understand these baselines were increased this is still very shocking.<p>In another example of rewarding failure we have sports, where we hand out trophies no matter the placing. This could not be further from reality where everything we do is base on our performance. We have to let our youths fail so that they can strive to improve and to do/be better.<p>So long as we promote failure our school systems will never get better, because as much as it is the teachers and the system behind them it is up to each student to want to learn. More today then ever there is no excuse, with the internet and its practically infinite resources information is never more then a few seconds away. If a student wants to learn they can, teacher/no teacher and school/no school. But the students have to WANT to learn and be/do better.
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tunesmith超过 12 年前
As someone who doesn't have kids, I always feel ridiculously uninformed about the whole education debate. From a distance it seems to be:<p>- administrators correctly determine we need to use metrics<p>- administrators then choose crap metrics<p>- teachers rightly point out that crap metrics create an incentive to tune performance towards those crap metrics<p>- teachers then conclude that metrics in general are a bad approach<p>So then presto, we have an argument where one side is defending crap metrics, and the other side is attacking the general idea of metrics.
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jbattle超过 12 年前
This has a whiff of the perennial 'kids today' rant. I know Google NGrams is hardly a robust research tool, but a few phrases that are fun to speculate about ...<p>'Failing student' - big in the 30's, went out of fashion? <a href="http://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=failing+students&#38;year_start=1800&#38;year_end=2000&#38;corpus=15&#38;smoothing=3&#38;share=" rel="nofollow">http://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=failing+student...</a><p>'Unprepared student' - relatively constant over time <a href="http://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=unprepared+student&#38;year_start=1800&#38;year_end=2000&#38;corpus=15&#38;smoothing=3&#38;share=" rel="nofollow">http://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=unprepared+stud...</a><p>'Underprepared student' - what happend in the 70's to get people writing this way? <a href="http://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=underprepared+student&#38;year_start=1800&#38;year_end=2000&#38;corpus=15&#38;smoothing=3&#38;share=" rel="nofollow">http://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=underprepared+s...</a>
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lists超过 12 年前
For the last ten years I've been coaching a form of high school debate in a Chicago public school. This activity involves arguing for and against federal government action on various issues and so requires, as a minimum for success, reading comprehension, an ability to express thought in writing, and the most basic familiarity with your grade school history textbook.<p>Let me tell you right now: A lot of kids can't do it. And by a lot I mean almost all, at least with respect to Chicago public schools, and this goes all the way up to the selective enrollment schools, one of which I coach.<p>As a volunteer with limited time, it kills me to see kids eager to join the activity only to find they lack the aptitudes to present and defend rational arguments, and I just don't have the time to reverse years of standardized education. The problem gets compounded if you're not attending a selective enrollment school, where general neglect at all levels is mandatory.<p>Now, the school I coach is also my alma mater, and yet, my own aptitude for debate was fostered precisely because I gave two shits about schooling in general and basically attended just to debate. All of my teammates were in the Top 50 of my class but couldn't debate to save their life. I had a student who was the number two student in a class of nearly 1000 and it was the same story - and she went on to attend the University of Chicago!
jbellis超过 12 年前
The college professors I know would laugh bitterly at the suggestion that underprepared college freshmen was a relatively new phenomenon.
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fnordfnordfnord超过 12 年前
I'm at a small rural community college. Fall 2012 was the most challenging semester I've had. The students were impossible to motivate for any length of time. I've had to involve the college's counselors who have made calls to parents, had meetings with them. The parent meetings with admissions counselors is the only thing that's had any noticeable effect. It's terrible. It continues to be a challenge to motivate this group. It can't go on like this.
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up_and_up超过 12 年前
Standardized testing is a complete farse.<p>Here's one reason (amongst many I am sure).<p>I have a relative who was a Professor at Eastern Michigan and got her PhD in Education. For her dissertation she looked at standardized testing in USA as well as internationally. She was in Finland, doing research at a school there when she noticed a discrepancy in their testing statistics, specifically, the number of students being tested as compared to the total population.<p>Particularly, she noticed that NONE of the children with special needs were taking the tests. When she inquired as to why, the administrator was pretty blunt: "Well, they are not tested because they are handicapped."<p>I question why the USA is reacting (maybe even over-reacting) to a situation that is not apples for apples.<p>EDIT: I realize this is an anecdotal story. But the gist is that education in the USA is an inclusive opportunity for everyone and every student undergoes standardized testing. The same can't be said across the world so how can a true comparison be made?
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NateDad超过 12 年前
You have to test, or you can't know how kids are doing. Maybe the tests need to be changed, but saying testing at all is the problem is wrong. You <i>must</i> test if you want to improve outcomes, otherwise you're just twiddling knobs with no idea how they're affecting the kids.
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ScottyE超过 12 年前
I am a high school student who cares about learning. I value the content of my subjects in school. But I am actively discouraged from learning at school.<p>For example, I have a chemistry teacher whose sole goal is to get us to pass the test. I'll ask something like, "So this ratio applies under a set, standard pressure and temperature?" And she'll reply, "What!? This has nothing to do with pressure or temperature, just multiply this number by this number...."<p>Other times, I'll ask a question and she'll say, "You don't need to know that for the test." She actively discourages inquiry into the "why" behind the material and instead prefers to teach robots.<p>I love learning, but I can't stand some classes in school. My learning is literally being shut-down by teachers.
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brigade超过 12 年前
It's kind of interesting how every teacher I've talked to that's taught for a decade or three agrees that NCLB is awful, yet among the general populace (HN comments), that's considered more evidence that teachers are incompetents.<p>Possibly the best thing I can say about NCLB is that it's fueling demand for good exclusive secular schools. Which is all well and good if you live near an urban center, but too bad for you if you're growing up an hour away from the nearest magnet school.
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tokenadult超过 12 年前
I see this guest blog post was kindly submitted here today after making the rounds of my Facebook friends yesterday. What I have to say about this is that ill prepared college freshmen are a well known phenomenon in the United States. But I think the author of the guest blog post submitted here has not correctly identified the underlying cause of that problem.<p>I have read some of the curriculum standards adopted in various states over the last decade and have examined the item content of some of the No Child Left Behind Act state tests implemented during the same period. The curricula were often quite lousy, and the tests rather poorly constructed. But neither so constrained teachers that we can conclude that they made things WORSE for teachers than before the Act and the associated tests. Teachers are in the classroom to help pupils and students learn something. Defining part of what that something is by no means prevents teachers from teaching more. A teacher who self-educates about good quality research on human learning<p><a href="http://www.danielwillingham.com/articles.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.danielwillingham.com/articles.html</a><p>and about effective teaching<p><a href="http://www.gatesfoundation.org/united-states/Pages/measures-of-effective-teaching-fact-sheet.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://www.gatesfoundation.org/united-states/Pages/measures-...</a><p>can help learners learn better even if the surrounding pattern of school regulation is less than ideal.<p>I am a teacher of prealgebra-level mathematics in private practice. (In earlier years I was a classroom teacher of English as a second language or of Chinese as a second language.) My elementary-age pupils come to me for lessons after attending their regular school lessons each week. All my clients have to pay me (my nonprofit program also offers financial aid, up to a full fee waiver, for families with financial need) after already paying their taxes for my state's friendly public schools, and some of my clients come to my program after paying out of pocket for a privately operated classroom school or as a supplement to family homeschooling. I don't give my pupils letter grades, and tests I offer to the pupils are from national voluntary participation mathematics contests, which they take (or not) as one of several reality checks on how they are learning the course material. Parents from a wide variety of school districts have told me that their children do much better on various kinds of school tests after taking my course, even though my course is explicitly NOT test-prep, and even though I don't align my curriculum to the curriculum presupposed by any testing program.<p>Children who learn how to use their brains to think<p><a href="http://www.epsiloncamp.org/ProblemsversusExercises.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.epsiloncamp.org/ProblemsversusExercises.php</a><p><a href="http://www.epsiloncamp.org/LearningMathematics.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.epsiloncamp.org/LearningMathematics.php</a><p>can handle novel problems and are not afraid of tests. Children who are overprotected in school from learning challenges outside the standard curriculum often get scared and shut down when tested, even when tested on the curriculum content they have studied over and over. I'm all about helping young learners be unafraid to take on challenges. If a teacher is not doing that, what is the teacher doing?<p>It's probably worth noting for other HN participants that the blog from which this guest post was submitted has had guest posts before that many Hacker News readers caught omitting many of the key facts of the described situation,<p><a href="http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3314676" rel="nofollow">http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3314676</a><p>until that hiding the ball was outed by more thorough bloggers who checked the facts.<p><a href="http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3327847" rel="nofollow">http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3327847</a><p>AFTER EDIT: btilly kindly asks, in the first reply to this comment, what class size I teach. The class size I teach is lower than the typical class size at the schools of regular enrollment of the pupils I teach, and more to btilly's point, my total enrollment of students at a given time is less than the typical student load of a full-time teacher in the local public schools. That's a fair contrast between my situation and theirs. On the other hand, for the first several years of my program I was writing the whole curriculum from the ground up (as no suitable textbooks were avaiable from United States publishers) and sometimes gathering materials from three different countries just to put a lesson plan together.<p>More to the point of teaching large classes, it has been done and done well in many parts of the world. When my wife was growing up in Taiwan, the typical elementary school class size was sixty (60) pupils. An unusually small class would have only fifty (50) pupils enrolled. The differences in school staffing practices and teacher training to make that possible are described in book-length works<p><a href="http://www.amazon.com/Knowing-Teaching-Elementary-Mathematics-Understanding/dp/0415873843" rel="nofollow">http://www.amazon.com/Knowing-Teaching-Elementary-Mathematic...</a><p><a href="http://www.amazon.com/Teaching-Gap-Improving-Education-Classroom/dp/1439143137" rel="nofollow">http://www.amazon.com/Teaching-Gap-Improving-Education-Class...</a><p>but boil down to letting classes be extra large, so that teachers can be scheduled to have joint prep time together each day in which new teachers learn from master teachers and plan lessons together. My teaching would be better if my program were big enough that I had a colleague to confer with each week, or especially each day.
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MaggieL超过 12 年前
I find myself unmoved by the argument "if you have standarized tests we won't have time to teach anything but what's on the tests".<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Work-to-rule" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Work-to-rule</a>
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ctdonath超过 12 年前
<i>We have very little say in what is happening to public education.</i><p>Sheer raging nonsense. You're the front line. You're delivering the education. The Nuremberg Defense doesn't work.<p>If a student is incapable of and unready for the next course, you do him a moral wrong promoting him thereto. Passing the incompetent condemns that student to being "left behind", drifting thru an "education" leaving him completely left behind in the real world. If enough teachers held the line, policy would change.
euroclydon超过 12 年前
He can't give individual attention to 160 students. If only every student had a personal mentor/advocate who could coach them to understand what to focus on in high school and what to let slide, someone who could argue with them at the dinner table until they developed a better ability to structure their thoughts, someone who could give then better material on writing than their school's text books or test preparatory guides. If only some parents could step up and help this poor teacher out a bit...
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chernevik超过 12 年前
"I apologize because they made me do a lousy job." Well, why didn't you leave earlier, to go somewhere and do a better job? Because you would have made less money and gotten less retirement.<p>Now the OP sounds like someone who _deserves_ more money. But this is impossible in the current education regime, the teachers' unions are adamantly opposed to this sort of thing. And not entirely without reason, public schools are political institutions with political accountability. It's only a matter of time before discretion over compensation is used not for institutional purposes but political ones. Because whether a public school does well or poorly, it will continue to have students and budget to pay salaries.<p>Salaries are currently politically controlled, by unions, to subsidize a large-proportion of subpar workers. Currently the alternative is administrative political control, where principals and superintendents will vary salaries for who knows what purpose.<p>No Child Left Behind was an effort to improve obviously sub-optimal results by imposing some kind of "standards", a regulation of the quality provided by these centrally planned institutions. It's no surprise that these regulations proved as brain-dead and counter-productive as any other management by regulation.<p>But if we remove the standardized testing, we'll be right back at trusting the discretion of _some_ political entity for the management and control of the schools. The miserable track records of these entities is what lead to standardized testing in the first place.<p>The root problem in the schools' governance the public schools' effective monopoly on education. Schools are accountable to _politicians_, not parents, because they get budget from politicians. Giving parents control of the politicians only changes the politics. Only when parents control where their children go, and the budget with them, will we move towards governance that actually cares what parents think, and thus acquire a focus on educating kids. Because only then can administrations have the necessary discretion to pursue real qualities, within a check on the usage of that discretion for its intended purposes.<p>Until we fix that, all the complaints about education and its obvious problems will be so much water under the bridge. The schools are lousy because no effective actor has an interest in making them good. Give the parents effective power to hold schools accountable and things will change. And not before.<p>In the meantime we'll have pious complaints from the politically indoctrinated about how they were forced to do a bad job. No, sir, not so. You chose to do that job, and you chose it for the money. You were free to do better, albeit at a price, and you chose not to. The responsibility for that is yours.
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johngalt超过 12 年前
Teacher: "Measuring results is the reason we are recording poor results."
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stcredzero超过 12 年前
In 1992, I was living with a bunch of college-aged folks in a big house in Olympia, WA. My best friend at the time was a big square-headed bruiser who pushed me to do too many drugs. (I'm a lightweight, so not much.) He was a great guy, and a loyal friend where it mattered, but it was awkward when it came to talking about his writing. He was proud of his writing because he could correctly form sentences, but didn't seem to manage much beyond that. Apparently, this put him near the head of his writing class at the community college he had attended. Yet his writing lacked any coherence at all in areas like subject-verb agreement, agreement of tense, logical structure, and so on. This was serious writing which he carefully revised, not off-the-cuff like my comments on HN.<p>He was insightful and intelligent. I always enjoyed talking to him. However, I was disturbed that he was apparently in the top 10% of what his school could produce in terms of writing. I wondered, if this was typical around the country, what did it say about the quality of education in the general public?
haubey超过 12 年前
I go to a private school in Florida, so I never had to take the FCATs, or any of the No Child Left Behind tests. When I was in elementary school, I took the ERBs, but the tests meant nothing, so nobody really cared about them that much--or at least the students didn't care. It's hard to remember because that was so many years ago, but my friend who were in public school would always talk about the FCATs, and from what I gathered, teachers taught for the FCATs pretty much the entire year, and almost exclusively for the test in the couple of months proceeding the examination. Meanwhile, I had teachers teaching me the subjects, not the tests.<p>I didn't really have much testing until during middle school, but staring in freshman year I took the PSATs and AP tests. All the PSAT prep we did was vocab in English class, and then in Junior year some brief prep in math. Luckily most of my class sizes were and are small enough that my teachers could give us individual attention if we needed/need it. As a second semester senior, I don't need it anymore. My friends had the FCATs up through 10th grade, after which they changed gears into (P)SAT mode. I'm not sure if their teachers taught for the SATs, or just taught for the class at that point.<p>I've had teachers that teach for the APs and teachers that teach the class topic, and I'm of the opinion that if a teacher teaches for the class, and not for the test, and does it well, then a byproduct of the class should be good grades on the AP test. I'm also of the opinion that the AP Lit and Lang tests need to be remade, because it is incredibly hard to teach critical reading. Math and science AP tests make sense, because there is a right and wrong, but language is much more subjective.<p>Testing is important, however. While the SAT isn't perfect, and while I don't think it will ever be perfect, it's a necessary evil. It's a standard--or as close of a standard that we can probably get to, and so we, and colleges, still need it.
mgkimsal超过 12 年前
Not sure why NCLB is being blamed here. I graduated high school in the late 80s, and in college writing classes had peers that could not write a coherent paragraph on basic subjects. This was more than a <i>decade</i> before NCLB.<p>We've always had poor students. And we've always had bright students. Perhaps we're measuring more of it now - we have more information, more metrics and more hand-wringing over it. However, I still run in to bright kids and high-school students, and I run in to people (young and old) who are not that bright or can't communicate, and I'm not convinced the numbers have shifted all that much over the past few decades. But the amount of money at stake in various industries <i>has</i> changed.
cafard超过 12 年前
I went to school in a day when the Iowa tests came around every few years (twice or three times between 1st and 10th grade), and that was it except for P?SAT and ACT. There was no test to teach to. It was not a golden age. It was an age of fads, just as our age is. That they came out of the teachers' colleges rather than federal mandates made them no more helpful. My brother suffered through more of the junk as being just enough younger. My stepmother eventually quit working as a substitute teacher because of her impatience with the continuing professional education courses she had to take.
DanBC超过 12 年前
Weird that washingtonpost includes kber's email address, with a handy mailto: link.<p>I've recently watched the UK Channel 4 programmes "Educating Essex". They might be interesting to people interested in English education. The official site is (<a href="http://www.channel4.com/programmes/educating-essex/4od" rel="nofollow">http://www.channel4.com/programmes/educating-essex/4od</a>).<p>It's interesting that a few pupils can take up so much time. (all that 80:20 stuff), and it's a shame there's no money available for similar high-intensity interventions for the students who work hard.
jimmaswell超过 12 年前
"...bad writing— no introduction, no conclusion, just hit the points of the rubric and provide the necessary factual support."<p>In other words, no worthless fluff? School writing where it's /encouraged/ to just get to the point and present your facts in a clear, short, efficient manner? Regardless of the other issues mentioned in the article, I think that at least is one good thing, because that is an absolute rarity in today's educational environment where you tend to fail if you don't express a 10 word idea in 100 of them.
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joedev超过 12 年前
Interesting. Haven't seen these issues at my kids' school. In fact, I just saw a grade yesterday on a report that was specifically broken down with points for grammar and structure. My boy told me earlier in the quarter a project that was partly graded on critical thinking and argument skills (regardless of the "answers" arrived at).<p>This isn't for me to say that their school must be better, but just to say that it's obviously not as impossible as this plea would have one think to teach the way that teachers think is right.
ctbeiser超过 12 年前
There are certainly issues with this article. As a student, who's been in this setting for the past dozen years, I've got some thoughts on the matter:<p>1. If you want to measure how much is taught, make sure you're measuring how much is taught. The emphasis on AP scores and ERBs makes for a teaching environment where you're taught not the actual things you need to know, but the particular phrasings that the College Board agrees get you full credit. I'm taking AP Stat, and all of my classmates can parrot off dozens of phrases regarding interpreting distributions, but most of them don't understand a word of it. From there...<p>2. You need to teach tools that can be used to solve problems, not recipes to solve specific kinds of problems. Otherwise, you're not learning.<p>3. You absolutely must reward creativity and unorthodox questions. Grading based on adherance to a specific methodology rather than having a reasonable answer (EG, you're being told that atoms are the smallest elements of matter, and you say that Quarks are smaller? You get points off. You ask about that, and are told not to question the Word of Teacher? That's what I'm talking about), and similarly, punishment for students who are too curious are due for the course<p>4. You need teachers who know what they're talking about. In sixth grade, a science teacher insisted that yes, Dinosaurs did eat humans. This is in a high-income neighborhood, in a solidly blue state. When I called her on it, and she looked it up and found that no, there is a gap of hundreds of millions of years, she closed the lesson by referencing young-earth creationist ideas about layers of soil in Texas.<p>5. You need to destroy the hierarchy of teachers being superior to students. Hierarchy is good for producing mass laborers who won't question authority, and dropouts. It's not good for helping people learn, or fostering curiosity. Worried about your safety without absolute power? Well, I'd be more worried about your safety when you're playing the role of prison guard. It seems incredible, but at, say, Quaker schools, students call teachers by their first name, they're very friendly with eachother, and the result is vibrant intellectual discourse, not knifings.<p>6. So you're an administrator/the President/ETC, and you want to measure if students understand material? Ask them. They'll be able to tell you a lot more than sitting in on a class and gauging metrics or Value Added Teaching ever will.<p>Above all, what amazes me most is that while following this debate for years, not once has anyone ever asked students what they think. If you haven't been a student in one of these schools within the last ten years, your opinions on what the real problems in education aren't valid.
spikels超过 12 年前
I have now read quite a few articles and comments on HN with teachers attacking either testing or MOOCs (some links below). There comments share a strange incoherence, tending to ramble on about irrelevant but emotionally charged issues (e.g. the rant on disrespect for teachers here) while ignoring pertinent facts (e.g. any evidence pre-NCLB students were better prepared than today's students). There is also a strange paranoia as if there is some grand conspiracy to "damage" education and harm students when as best I can tell the targets of this wrath (e.g. Bill Gates) are tying to help solve what they see as an extremely critical problem.<p>Is this really representative of the "thinking" of our teachers generally?<p><a href="http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5162105" rel="nofollow">http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5162105</a> <a href="http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2633341" rel="nofollow">http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2633341</a> <a href="http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5124993" rel="nofollow">http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5124993</a> <a href="http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5118174" rel="nofollow">http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5118174</a>
taproot超过 12 年前
"Award winning teacher" waits till after he retires to say the systems fucked. Thanks bro. Good help.<p>(yes I know I don't know the full story but it reads bad)
Strang超过 12 年前
The federal government has no business in education. There is no feasible, informative way for a single organization to comprehensively evaluate the education of every K-12 student in America.<p>Education should between a student, his parents, teachers, and local administrators. Involving an army of faceless bureaucrats cannot possibly make anything better.
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calhoun137超过 12 年前
I feel really bad for kids these days. It's hard to know what to do to help. If there are any bright, motivated, self-taught young people in your life, please take the time to tutor them, to correct their amateur mistakes before they become deadly habits, and to generally be a resource that is there for them.<p>There are only so many natural born hackers in this world, and it's up to us to be there for the next generation of kids who are trying like hell to succeed in spite of the current state of public education.<p>Another thing we can do to help is to contribute to projects like the khan academy and other free online learning tools. There are tons of really smart kids out there who want to learn, but who just can't afford to go to private schools because their parents are not rich enough.<p>It's up to those of us with the knowledge and the passion to make sure these types of resources are available. In today's economy this is becoming more and more important.<p>Public education in this country is literally under assault, and no child left behind is a big part of that.<p>The public sector is being chipped away at by wall street, and no child left behind is part of a strategy to destroy the public education system.<p>Wall street hates public education for the same reason they hate social security, because they can't profit from it, and they are so rich that they don't need it themselves. Here are some links to back up this point.<p><a href="http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/education/albany-charter-cash-big-banks-making-bundle-new-construction-schools-bear-cost-article-1.448008" rel="nofollow">http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/education/albany-charter...</a><p><a href="http://www.democracynow.org/topics/charter_schools" rel="nofollow">http://www.democracynow.org/topics/charter_schools</a><p><a href="http://www.democracynow.org/topics/education/11" rel="nofollow">http://www.democracynow.org/topics/education/11</a>
ilaksh超过 12 年前
When you apply a deeply flawed policy ubiquitously, you get ubiquitous failure.<p>You have to measure something somehow. But if you are forcing everyone to measure the wrongs things at the expense of actually teaching critical thought or other important skills or providing individualized attention, then you are screwing everyone.<p>Centralized policies can be very damaging, especially if they are too prescriptive and incorrect. Generally speaking, the federal government and other colluding monopolies have too much power, and this is one glaring example of how that is causing very serious problems.<p>This over-centralization is a result of the structure of fundamental beliefs and institutions. That's just how money works.<p>Power controls too much without information.<p>I think its because there is no useful information in money.
crusso超过 12 年前
Since that entire piece is mostly opinion and devoid of any measurable facts, it's fair to judge where that opinion is coming from.<p>Tearcherken's blog is pretty axe grindy, in case the URL didn't give it away:<p><a href="http://teacherken.dailykos.com/" rel="nofollow">http://teacherken.dailykos.com/</a>
smsm42超过 12 年前
It's an interesting piece, but I have a problem with one thing that caught my eye - while explaining what drives the policies that hurt - in his opinion - the education, first thing he mentions is "wealthy corporations". It's a common trope, but I'd expect more from somebody who actually teaches Government - what "wealthy corporations" have to do with this and how comes they - and not, say, vast government bureaucracy or enormously powerful educational unions - supposedly set the agenda and ruin everything for everybody?
rasengan0超过 12 年前
Why all this criticism to this opinion piece?<p>The perspective is refreshing but will probably fall on deaf ears to policy:<p>"Many of us are leaving sooner than we had planned because the policies already in effect and those now being implemented mean that we are increasingly restricted in how and what we teach."<p><a href="http://blogs.edweek.org/teachers/teacher_of_the_year/2010/01/teachers_should_be_seen_and_no.html" rel="nofollow">http://blogs.edweek.org/teachers/teacher_of_the_year/2010/01...</a><p>Soon creationists can apply their vouchers for real science!
wisty超过 12 年前
Testing is a good idea, if it's done well. Measurement is always a good thing, unless it's expensive (tests aren't), or the measurements are used in a stupid way (which ... they are).<p>It's like measuring productivity by SLOC. Good programmers write more code. If you reward programmers for writing more code, though, they'll punch out boilerplate code which won't really do anything. They'll actually get less done, because they are writing meaningless lines of code, instead of actually solving problems. Steve Ballmer claims this a big reason why Microsoft beat IBM when OS/2 was coming out - as IBM rewarded their programmers for more SLOC, so they screwed everything up.<p>If you reward people for good measurements, they'll find ways to screw with the measurements.<p>Big tests mean, the students and teachers will focus on beating the test. They'll teach exam techniques, and stick to what they think will be on the test. It's fairly easy to teach a "shallow" way of solving problems, if you can guess the problems. Learning to solve unseen problems is hard - you actually have to understand the material. But most tests won't have a lot of difficult questions, so teachers will focus on getting their class to memorise the algorithm used to solve the basic questions.<p>Rote learning is good, if it's an enabler. Learning your times tables helps you do higher mathematics. But if you only worry about rote learning, then you can go through school without actually understanding what you are doing - you just follow the rules, and hope there aren't too many trick questions. Rote learning can be the foundation of higher learning, but creating nothing <i>but</i> foundations is a waste of effort.<p>It's also a huge waste of resources, as teachers will be spending all their time trying to figure out the test parameters, instead of worrying about whether their students actually understand the material.<p>Finally, there's the opportunity cost. Instead of saying "the good teachers are the ones which get good test results", they could do some deeper analysis. How do the "good" teachers control their class? What kind of homework do they set? What is the format of their lessons? What can the "bad" teachers do, to emulate their success? The "bad" teachers mostly just don't know how to teach well. There's probably a few idiots (who can't teach because they don't understand the topic), a few ones whose personality makes them ineffective, and some who are lazy or burnt out. But I bet <i>most</i> teachers would be much more effective if they knew what the "good" teachers were up to.<p>If the tests are high stakes, you'll just find that the "good" teachers are the ones who care most about gaming the test, not the ones who are actually good teachers. If the tests aren't high stakes, then the good teachers will naturally do well, and it's worth studying how they became so effective.<p>It would be justifiable, if the incentive of high stakes tests was strong enough to actually bring the kids up to a certain level, but I don't think it has. Instead, it just creates bad incentives, and is a distraction from serious quantitative research into teaching.
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gmrple超过 12 年前
I suspect a marked increase in cheating will be the fallout, rather than a huge increase in clueless students.
tempaccount9473超过 12 年前
tl;dr: As a teacher, you can't expect me to teach students the facts on the tests AND how to write clear sentences.
KenBernstetin超过 12 年前
A friend of mine just let me know this was posted over here. I regret that i do not have time to respond to all the comments - I have received several hundred emails directly as a result of the posting at the Washington Post. I will when I have time come back and read through and where appropriate offer responses. For now I want to acknowledge that many of you are taking the time to offer thoughtful comments, even if I may think you misunderstand either purpose of the piece or why I wrote it. Let me offer a few general comments.<p>1. No Child Behind does not exist in isolation. Before it there were A Nation At Risk and Goals 2000, both of which are part of the ethos from which NCLB flowed. Since NCLB, Race to the Top has if anything made thingsworse.<p>2. Unlike its predecessors, NCLB had punitive sanctions that began to distort the learning process. When the courses I taught in government were in 9th grade, we began seeing kids arrive at our high school with NO social studies to speak of in elementary or middle school, because those subjects were not tested for Adequate Yearly Progress, the standard by which schools were measured under NCLB.<p>3. I did not teach just elite students. My last 7 years I taught both the regular level government classes and AP US Government and Politics. For the 1st 6 of those years half of my sections were in each course. The last year 4 were AP. Thus I taught a spectrum of abilities. Nevertheless, the gifted students in my AP classes were decreasingly ready to handle the kind of thinking necessary for that course.<p>4. do not presume that I EVER resorted to drill and kill for tests. But I fought losing battles. The school system began demanding every teacher in every course do system designed benchmarks. But in AP there was not a common curriculum, because each AP teacher had to submit his or her own syllabus to the College board. I approached the material in a different fashion, one which served my students well both as to their learning but also in how they performed on the AP exam. And yet they would be required to sit for poorly designed tests often on material I had not yet addressed in class.<p>5. Because test scores began to matter so much, the school system wanted interim tests, which scores broken out by indicators, with teachers required to explain why students had scored poorly on some indicators and to present a plan of remediation. Again, I did not follow the county pacing guide, which may be why I had the best performance in any of the 20+ high schools on the state exam - one year I had 129 students sit for the state exam and 126 passed - ten of those passing having failed all four quarter with me. Certainly I had demonstrated that my students were prepared. Perhaps I should have been asked to draft the pacing guide. At least when it came to AP, I was asked to run a Saturday course to which students from other schools could come to get assistance from me. But when I get told that I am REQUIRED to waste time on tests on material my students have not yet studied and then waste more time explaining why they did not do well on certain indicators, I think you can begin to understand some of my frustration.<p>I was for a while the only teacher on the county wide panel designing how our school system was going to tie teacher evaluation to student performance, a requirement under Race to the Top. I disagreed with the notion, but was asked both by central office administrators and by the executive director of the union to serve because I understood the literature as well as anyone in the county. We worked hard, designed a system, did some beta testing, only to have the state reject it because we did not meet some percentage on one criteria that they had arbitrarily set at 20% and we had set at 15%, in agreement among the testing office, the top administration, teachers, counselors, etc.<p>What is happening to our students as result of educational policy which focuses on testing - and in this case NCLB is the primary culprit - is denying them a meaningful learning experience. Because we put so much weight on the test scores, the focus in the school and the classroom becomes those tests, increasingly to the exclusion of other things.<p>My article for Academe only scratched the surface of what is wrong.<p>My warning, however, is real, and it is not just about the students arriving on college campuses. There are already proposals to evaluated professors in schools of education on the basis of the test scores of K-12 students taught by their graduates. Let me be blunt - this is idiotic. The professional literature does NOT support evaluating those K-2 teachers by student test scores, not even when using value-added assessments, which have all kinds of problems that have still not been solved. To attempt to use them to draw valid conclusions at one further step away from what the tests were designed to do - which is to measure what students can do at one particularly moment in time - is downright dangerous.<p>As to those who think teachers still have the ability to use their own best judgment, perhaps to learn the appropriate research and apply it on their own? That ignores that increasingly we are seeing superintendents who want everyone on the same page at the same time, with rigid pacing guides, whether the students can move faster or need to move slower.<p>Before I was a teacher I worked with computers for 20 years. The old IBM cards were clearly labeled "Do not fold, spindle or mutilate." At least they were standard - in size, in how information was recorded.<p>Our students are not standard. And what we are doing to them is folding, spindling, and mutilating - their natural love of learning, their ability to draw meaning from their studies.<p>It is one reason why they will be less and less prepared for post-secondary education.<p>It is why the fastest growing classes on many campuses are remedial courses to make up for what they didn't learn in high school, even if they passed all the required tests with flying colors.
zanny超过 12 年前
I graduated High School in 2009. I want to tell a story about what my experiences lead to conclude the root problem is in public education and how NCLB impacts it.<p>My school was a public high school in a college town, so a large fraction of students were children of professors or college staff. The school did fairly well from local taxes so we had a lot of programs other schools couldn't dream of - for one, we had school provided Macs. Starting in 2004, every student got a laptop to use in class if a teacher wanted to use them.<p>I was in 5th grade when NCLB hit the scene, and experienced the <i>noticable</i> shift (though the causaution of this is questionable) I saw a significant repetition of topics to such a degree that between 4th grade (I was reading at "12th grade" reading level, had experienced everything up to algebra in math) and 8th grade, I learned <i>nothing</i> new. They were completely dead years. My middle school at the time went through a transition into this new model and structured around standardized tests that moved a significant chunk of the material I had covered in gifted / advanced classes years earlier into every classroom in reaction to the tests. That is the fault of the school though, and doesn't necessarily indicate a systemic issue.<p>The problem showed itself in high school, and presented itself in two ways - one, I took AP classes, and it was the <i>same</i> 15 - 30 kids taking <i>every</i> AP class. I had a few gen ed. classes (Spanish, Art, Technical Writing) where I got to experience an entire seperate <i>class</i> of student who were thoroughly disenfranchized with the system and being in school was wasting their time, and everyone elses. They were in the "basic" of the basic-standard-honors class placement, they didn't do the homework, they got D's/F's, and got pushed through an assembly line to meet quotas. Everyone involved behind the scenes absolutely knew this was a tremendous waste of time, but nobody did anything about it, mainly because it was systemic and inherent to compulsory standardized rote education.<p>I had some <i>really</i> good high school teachers. I got scores in 5/5 AP tests that placed me out of an entire semester of college courses and I graduated a year early with my BS as a result, combined with some extra courses to meet the credit requirement. They had <i>passion</i>. They were being <i>crushed</i> by the mass of the student body that wasn't in that select AP student group.<p>The laptops actually demonstrated something peculier - state assement test scores fell <i>dramatically</i> following their introduction. The school went from top 20 in the state to bottom 50. However, that select group of 30~ students (in a graduating class of 150, the school was delightfully small) were getting better scores than ever.<p>It is much more generic than this story, but from my experiences technology dramatically enhances the learning potential of an engaged learner, and acts as the ultimate distraction from the disenfranchised. The 80% of students who didn't care and didn't want to be in school used the laptops as a get out of jail free card, intentionally taking classes to get teachers that let them use them. The AP and honors tier of students had group collaboration projects, we make power points rather than cardboard posters, we would regularly look up bios and short stories of famous authors in real time.<p>That divide comes back to NCLB because the students that <i>want</i> to go further with good teachers that can promote that lose the capacity under a strict standardized testing regime. The year I graduated, the freshman class (the 4 years of "honors" students pretty much knew each other) had around half as many "honors" quality students in a class that was 200 students in size (133% the size of ours).<p>I think the perspective of someone who went through the NCLB origin years might be useful. I agree the article does come off as somewhat circlejerky "kids these days just aren't as good as they once were" in some aspects. But I definitely felt the impact of standardization strangling the good teachers and students and it made it blatantly apparent the root problem in public schools is that you are carrying around a majority of students who <i>don't want to be there</i>. And the solution to the latter is a harder problem to solve than throw more tests at them.
tkahn6超过 12 年前
Formal education, in a lot of ways, is a very dehumanizing experience.<p>Vanishingly few students give an iota of a damn about critical thinking, about understanding the implications of what they are reading or studying, trying to make connections to other facets of knowledge. The emphasis is on throwing some shit hastily onto a paper (gotta reach that word count), memorizing mathematical algorithms (just because you can integrate a function, does not mean you understand what you're doing), passing the exam, and moving on to the next topic.<p><i>SAT Essay Test Rewards Length and Ignores Errors</i><p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2005/05/04/education/04education.html?_r=0" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2005/05/04/education/04education.html...</a><p>I had to do that. You have 25 minutes to write an essay. But you're not graded on the quality, you're graded on the quantity. You're rewarded <i>only</i> for getting as many words as you can onto the paper. Purposely writing like shit is an absolutely horrible experience. It's like intellectual suicide. Why aren't there congressional hearings about this? Why is this acceptable?<p>Occasionally getting a good grade and learning the material are one in the same pursuit. That's an amazing feeling. You feel like you're not wasting your time. You feel like you can trust the system to educate you and you can see your progress and knowledge reflected in your grades.<p>I don't know if there's a better way to do education. It's not an easy problem. If you want to maintain your intellectual integrity, the best strategy is to learn what you can from valuable classes, teach yourself on the side, and get decent enough grades to get you into a college with a decent brand, rinse and repeat there. And if you don't care about your intellectual integrity then you can Google for guides on how to get into Ivy Leagues and follow the steps there. Note that that is not to say that no one who attends an Ivy League has intellectual integrity.<p>Only a year to go and I'm done with academia forever.<p>/rant
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