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Ask HN: What would an ideal online learning platform look like?

14 点作者 glen大约 16 年前
Imagine you have limitless money and can create an ideal online learning site. What would it look like? How would it work? What features/tools (e.g., grade book, discussion posts, wiki).) would it include? How might it disrupt our current educational model?<p>Think about any online learning experiences that you have had. Common experiences may include: reading comments on HN, editing posts on Wikipedia, watching educational videos, or taking online classes using a learning management system like Blackboard. What features have stood out to you as particularly helpful? Why?<p>We at www.nixty.com are working on building our own ideal learning platform. I’m reading Jarvis’ What Would Google Do? And figured I’d post the question to HN. As always, thanks for making this a great community and for helping us think through things.

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bokonist大约 16 年前
My high school had amazing math textbooks. The books had been written by the faculty over the course of many years. Each page consisted of 10-12 word problems and nothing else. There would be no explanation, no section introductions, nothing but problems.<p>The problems were designed to be just hard enough that you could solve them by making a little bit of a leap from your previous knowledge. After solving a series of leading questions, you would make one last leap, solve a problem, and the book would tell you: "Congratulations, you have just derived the Law of Cosines!"<p>Because the difficulty was set just right - not too hard, not too easy - doing math homework was like playing a game of Sudoku. ( well, the difficulty was right for me, students who had less aptitude for math tended to hate the books). Also, because you learned by figuring out things as you went, the knowledge stuck the first time. No tedious drills or memorization were ever required.<p>If I was to design the perfect online education system, it would be like those books. No reading and memorization, just problems designed to be in the sweet spot between boring and frustrating. Online you have the big advantage that you can dynamically adjust the difficult level of the problems. This would actually solve the major problem with the textbooks.<p>The textbooks are all online here: <a href="http://www.exeter.edu/academics/84_9408.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://www.exeter.edu/academics/84_9408.aspx</a><p>If I was creating an online learning site, I would try and license the material from them. Then I would put the problems online, make the difficulty dynamic, add hints and helpers for tough problems, etc.
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neilk大约 16 年前
Books. Even in the USA, classrooms are starved of just <i>books</i>. Not to mention the third world.<p>Okay, if it has to be some gee-whiz techno-thingy, then a Kindle which is about as cheap as an iPod shuffle. Which reads aloud and can automatically adjust to your reading level, suggesting new books as you go.<p>I think we need to look at some new economic models for teaching. Maybe a school could simply garnish 5% of every dollar a student makes above, say, 75% of the median wage, for 10 years. That gives the school some guaranteed income and the incentive to teach students economically useful skills, quickly.<p>Also, new reasons to learn and new ways to learn.<p>The main problem with educational software today is that the administration buys it and it serves their purposes, not the students'. This is an exactly analogous situation with corporate IT software buying. Except it's even worse because the administration is a quasi-branch of the government.<p>Out with the state curriculum and the bureaucrats. In with selling education to the people being educated. Education <i>for its own sake</i>. If that means we develop a course in rap lyrics, we'll give you rap lyrics. But we'll also discuss the history of martial poetry too, from the Greeks onwards. We're also going to discuss rhetoric, the mathematics of periodicity, rhythm, and the Nyquist theorem of sampling. If you want to learn how to read the Bible better, we'll do that too, and that way we can bring in practically everything in English literature after the King James Version.<p>Graduating from a grade should be like getting a belt in martial arts. Something you do at your own pace and a test you take at your own initiative (with parental prompting too). The difference between slow students and fast students is usually something like 33-50%. So if someone needs two years to master algebra, let them TAKE two years. It's not a race for fuck's sake.<p>Education should be interwoven with doing actually useful things. I think pg is right on the money that kids are mainly disconnected from society because we go to great lengths to disconnect them. Drug dealers know that at least some 14-year-olds can be trusted with limited responsibilities; so would it really be so terrible to have kids doing some jobs in a more positive working environment?<p>Let's put education in unusual places, with the people who need it and are motivated to learn. Undocumented workers are where I would start. We already know these people are ambitious, hardworking, and habituated to risk.
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tokenadult大约 16 年前
Perhaps you should contact me off-forum for the long answer. As president of a statewide parent organization for the families of gifted children, I've had occasion to read reviews of, write reviews of, and recommend a great variety of online learning experiences for parents who want to go beyond what is offered by their local school system. My oldest son is an alumnus of distance learning courses from the Center for Talent Development (affiliated with Northwestern University, and I think a Blackboard client), Johns Hopkins University Center for Talented Youth, and Stanford's Education Program for Gifted Youth (EPGY). He is now enrolled in the EPGY Online High School<p><a href="http://epgy.stanford.edu/ohs/" rel="nofollow">http://epgy.stanford.edu/ohs/</a><p>which has been rolling out implementation of eCollege and PowerSchool for various aspects of school communication to students and parents.<p>Two very crucial things that the part of the market I know still has to get right is<p>a) building student online communities in a way that encourages emotional and social growth of the students,<p>and<p>b) adaptive placement in courses so that able learners can reach a high challenge level and master lots of new materials. Most online courses are too easy and too dumbed-down for the learners I know best.<p>See my profile for how to reach me for follow-up.
vaksel大约 16 年前
It needs to be free. An online "college" is a joke in the eyes of the world, so you shouldn't even try to compete in that segment by trying to charge money.<p>You should instead focus on teaching people the subjects. Think of it as a secondary tool that students could use to learn the material on their own. I'd focus mainly on problems, I think thats the only way you actually learn anything but doing examples.<p>You also should make it competitive, have different rankings and achievements etc that the students can strive for. i.e. Algebra Level I, Level II, etc. Each level would have a different set of questions, that get harder and harder.<p>Then let users challenge each other i.e glen vs mike - Algebra III. The users would compete to finish the 10 questions, and the winner would be either the person who got the most answers right, or if its a tie, the person with the fastest answers. Give different point values for tests based on how hard they are.<p>Then help users further, by letting users offer tutoring services. And to compare, the users would be able to see profiles, and see what type of achievements the "tutor" achieved.<p>But this is mostly just brain storming off the top of my head
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toisanji大约 16 年前
Since as long as I can remember, my work and fun has been programming languages and learning foreign languages. Recently, I am building my ideal language learning site. So its pretty focused on tools for learning foreign languages which I think is fairly different from being a general learning platform. I think that really the fastest way to learn a language is live in the area that speaks that language, but everyone can't do that, so I'm trying to build a community where people can practice reading,writing,speaking, and listening in the langauge they are targeting. It is a work in progress and still not where I want it to be in terms of features. You can check it out at <a href="http://sanbit.com" rel="nofollow">http://sanbit.com</a> . I used Blackboard a bit during college, but I don't even really know what it does. Whatever you build, I think to create value, it should help both teachers and students save time, when I used blackboard a few years ago, it seemed for of a hassle rather than actually help me, but maybe we weren't using it to its fullest potential.
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buugs大约 16 年前
Blackboard is awful I have one class that is based almost entirely in it and that class is one of the most annoying because of the website. First it is separated into 20 sections on the side, most of which I do not even use. Another issue if I'm using linux with all the prerequesites I fail the browser check and it tells me to try Firefox3... which I'm using because of the lack of support for other operating systems I almost missed an assignment as it did not attach my document.<p>Another Issue that really bothers me is the grades, you cannot sort them in any way there is no relative dating just however the teacher enters it in and most don't really care how they enter it, at the very least I'd like to be able to see my total points or perhaps even a comparison between my grade and the average grade, something all my other classes give is averages of large assignments/tests.<p>The main thing I would like would be something like a simple editor as default and a html editor that actually accepts html code such as bold and paragraphs.<p>An interface that didn't use massive amounts of javascript to fetch each page would be awesome too but that might be asking a lot.<p>Id like sections that aren't in use such as calendar or announcements or data kind of things to be unavailable if the teacher has not posted anything in them.<p>Another good thing would be a way for teachers to change .doc into pages too many times have I seen bullets and numbered lists just copy pasted into a document to lose all formatting.<p>Thats a lot of what I hate but probably hard to do and not feasable.
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sjs382大约 16 年前
I've had online classes that were (essentially) normal classes, just online. Classes were set for a specific time, Lectures, notes, files were broadcast and shared via Adobe's Breeze software (its name changed.. can't remember what to). Classes were still held on campus, but I was unable to make most of the classes. It was one of my better online learning experiences.<p>I guess this example is better thought of as a web-enhanced course rather than fully online,though.
jgilliam大约 16 年前
<a href="http://www.google.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.google.com/</a>