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Ex-Prime Minister Baroness Thatcher dies, aged 87

165 点作者 Fletch137大约 12 年前

22 条评论

ErrantX大约 12 年前
I know Thatcher was a polarising individual; for her politics and actions during the mining strikes etc.<p>However, she rose to the top of an <i>extremely</i> male dominated field through conviction and sheer force of personality. And I think that deserves respect in itself.<p>Given the current issues surrounding gender equality in many fields, her example should serve as inspiration.<p>(Fact I have just learned; she was born just down the road from me! I'm quite surprised Grantham doesn't make a bigger deal of her roots there)
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lifeisstillgood大约 12 年前
I am subtly torn here.<p>I am one of "Thatcher's children" having grown up in the late seventies and eighties. I clearly remember watching her enter Downing St and my mother telling me that things were going to get better now a woman was in charge.<p>She oversaw wrenching shifts in Britain's social and economic structures, was hated, respected, but rarely loved and kicked out without ceremony.<p>But my abiding memories are of <i>something</i> getting done. Rarely were there somethings that everyone agreed upon, rarely was it done well, but things were done. Thatcher had an agenda when she came to power. Her "success" over the Falklands enabled her to push that agenda - one of massive economic change. It seemed obvious and overdue to her and her main advisors that the semi-Keynesian establishment needed shaking up. And she and her band of, at the time, outsiders, did just that. Something happened. Something inevitable.<p>In the deadlocked worlds of politics I see in the UK and US, this is a trait that might be worth admiring.<p>But now in my own middle age, well, if I were PM now, my personal focus would be on the changes needed to deal with the Internet as the Central nervous system of humankind - issues of privacy, of government accessibility, of security of networks and national assets, of education policy. Those are my "Bleedin obvious" policy shifts. Things I would drive home ruthlessly, because not to do so would be like a time traveller knowing the all the days winning horses and still not betting.<p>So, to sum up, doing <i>something</i> in politics takes a special kind of ruthlessness. Sometimes we need to have people who will sacrifice others in order to make the inevitable happen now - there are many mining towns feeling the sacrifice to this day.<p>But we need now not to debate the issues of 1980, but to look at the next inevitable changes - and do our best to get ahead of them. Much of the Eurozone troubles are down to the countries missing a Thatcher, and having politicians who simply waited till the inevitable happened. Can anyone spot a politician who gets the needs of 2040?
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steamboiler大约 12 年前
I'll probably get down voted for this but I'll say it nonetheless.<p>Roger Ebert and now Margaret Thatcher. I respect them both but IMHO HN is hardly the place to mourn them. Just my 2c.<p>(FWIW I can't flag this article; I would have if I could)
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richardjordan大约 12 年前
There are plenty of others who grew up in Thatcher's Britain I understand the negative sentiment of many Britons towards her.<p>My main beef is the squandering of Britain's oil. We had a one time bounty of oil in the UK and to deliver temporary tax cuts at the high end of the tax bracket her government sold off as much oil as possible as fast as possible at low low rates (&#60;$10 per barrel) - a policy also aimed at financially attacking the Soviet Union. However as the UK slipped from the fourth largest exporter in the world to a net importer of oil, oil which is ten times as expensive, the UK has serious problems. The tax cuts are long gone, and I'm pretty sure nobody is paying for the UK's oil as a thank you for helping bankrupt the USSR.<p>I guess the point is while the social effects of her policies are the main focus of criticism for many, her economic prowess was based on a giveaway if a one-time resource wil long term negative strategic consequences for the country.
travem大约 12 年前
I was impressed by Paddy Ashdown's comments on her - <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/apr/08/what-did-margaret-thatcher-do-britain" rel="nofollow">http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/apr/08/what-did...</a><p>"I opposed almost everything she did (but found myself following many of them when I tried to get the Bosnian economy going by lowering taxes and freeing up the market). Though there will be many who saw her as the author of much destruction that we still mourn, much that she pulled down needed to be pulled down."<p>"She was better as destroyer of old tired institutions and lazy ways of thinking than she was as the builder of new ones; better at defining divisions than building cohesion. But probably that's what Britain needed then. Had we on the left not grown so lazy about our addictions to the easy ways of state corporatism, she would perhaps have been less successful at so cruelly exposing their hollowness."<p>"If politics is the ability to have views, hold to them and drive them through to success, she was undoubtedly the greatest prime minister of our age, and maybe even the greatest politician."
hackerboos大约 12 年前
I don't see the point of this being posted. This is likely to turn into a shit-storm of left-right fighting.
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Leszek大约 12 年前
I very curious what the funeral will be like -- I imagine there will have to be a hell of a lot of security to protect the body and attendees.
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denzil_correa大约 12 年前
Margaret Thatcher was a research chemist, a barrister and former "Secretary of State for Education and Science". Thatcher may also may have helped invent "soft-serve ice cream" [0].<p>[0] <a href="http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2013/04/margaret-thatcher-helped-invent-soft-serve-ice-cream/274767/" rel="nofollow">http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2013/04/margar...</a>
andrelaszlo大约 12 年前
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thatcherism#Criticism" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thatcherism#Criticism</a> All respect to the brilliant person though.
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yread大约 12 年前
This clip somehow made it to my FB feed<p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQ6TgaPJcR0" rel="nofollow">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQ6TgaPJcR0</a><p>"Margaret Thatcher does the Dead Parrot Sketch"
rikacomet大约 12 年前
RIP, the Great Iron Lady. You were a big inspiration to me. There would never be anyone like you and late Indra Gandhi. The two Maiden-de-People of mid-80s.
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justincormack大约 12 年前
It is worth reading the policies that brought her into power again eg <a href="http://www.margaretthatcher.org/document/112551" rel="nofollow">http://www.margaretthatcher.org/document/112551</a><p>UK politics was dominated by the unions in a way that is unthinkable now and tax policy has changed a lot. It feels more honest than today's politics although what was proposed and what was delivered were not entirely in line.<p>The papers on that site are fascinating... I was only 10 when she came to power but she was a huge figure of that time.
rdl大约 12 年前
I'm still confused why even relatively normal tech/libertarian-lite Scottish people seem to hate her so much (e.g. cstross), to the point of dancing on her grave.
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malkia大约 12 年前
Rust In Peace Iron Lady!
D_hemming大约 12 年前
Her condition is described as 'Satisfactory'.
kentwistle大约 12 年前
May God rest her soul, her memory will never be forgotten.
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lazyant大约 12 年前
Responsible for 323 lives:<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARA_General_Belgrano" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARA_General_Belgrano</a>
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crystal520大约 12 年前
RIP.One of the greatest human in Mid-80s.
lostlogin大约 12 年前
Email from my father at 7.17 this morning: &#62;&#62;I just looked at the Grauniad, Independent, TImes, Telegraph - all have front pages dominated by her. I then went to the Scotsman to see what the view was… there was no mention at all….&#60;&#60; I see she is there now.
andrewcooke大约 12 年前
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-BZIWSI5UQ" rel="nofollow">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-BZIWSI5UQ</a>
camus大约 12 年前
Well i did not like her for sure , but RIP. We all die , no matter if we are king or slaves , poor or rich , famous or anonymous.
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dregin大约 12 年前
Fascist.
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