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Transcript of meeting between Julian Assange and Google CEO Eric Schmidt

348 点作者 chasingtheflow大约 12 年前

19 条评论

redthrowaway大约 12 年前
Say whatever you will about Assange; it's clear he puts a great deal of thought and effort into what he does. I highly recommend his essay on the nature, structure, and weaknesses of conspiracies he wrote shortly after starting Wikileaks:<p><a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20070129125831/http://iq.org/conspiracies.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://web.archive.org/web/20070129125831/http://iq.org/cons...</a><p>It's not exactly a pg classic, but it does give good insight into his motivations and thought processes.
rb2大约 12 年前
JA: " I have been told actually that VeriSign, by people who are in the know, although I am not yet willing to go on the public record, cause I only have one source, just between you and me, one source that says that VeriSign has actually given keys to the US government. Not all, but a particular key."
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stevep98大约 12 年前
JA: there was this fantastic video that came out of Stanford in about '69 on nuclear synthesis of DNA. Have you seen it? It's on youtube. It's great. A wonderful thing. So it is explaining nuclear synthesis through interpretive dance.<p>Here it is: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9dhO0iCLww" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9dhO0iCLww</a> Skip to 3:30 and, um take something to get in the mood of the era...
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belorn大约 12 年前
I wonder if one could automate a process to find articles that has been removed (censured) from news papers, but which still exist in libraries.<p>Is there any project which digital store some index of news articles outside the control the publishing newspaper? Maybe Google could give such index (and only index), so as to enable investigating reports and citizens to notice when articles get pulled.
mrmaddog大约 12 年前
This is incredibly fascinating. If you are trying to figure out whether this is worth a read or not, I don't think you'll be disappointed spending an hour or two following along through the interview. For those of you that are tight on time, here are some heavily paraphrased notes I've been taking, referencing some of the more thought provoking parts of the interview. (And I'm only half way through! I'll need to finish reading this tomorrow):<p>- We should create human readable (memorable) hashes to map names to specific data, so people can trust the documents they have are not tampered with and so that such documents can't be removed from the public record. Sort of an immutable DNS system for data built on hashes. Readability is important so the keys can be transmitted independently of computer networks. Bitcoins may be a good reference technology for this. (See: "So this Bitcoin replacement" and passages leading up to that)<p>- We need secure, robust communication systems for medium sized groups of people (think revolutionaries) that don't need to rely on centralized (government owned) networks. Possibly use UDP to message someone (since without ACKs you can send to many hosts, and a listening host looks the same to the network as an unrelated host). More ideas about this in passage: "Right, so you send it to random internet hosts"<p>- The internet lets one hear their own beliefs echoed back with such force that it drowns out any other input. It reinforces (makes extreme?) the person's original thought. This creates a "radicalization of internet educated youth," makes us highly political.<p>- The US doesn't need to care as much about free speech since free speech won't change the fiscal outlook of those at the top (US is in a "rigid fiscalized structure"). China and Egypt are a more political society though, so they still need to control free speech. (See passage:"I am not going to say governments")<p>- "censorship is always cause for celebration. It is always an opportunity, because it reveals fear of reform. It means that the power position is so weak that you have got to care about what people think."<p>- Censorers don't care what information exists in darknets. They only care that their bosses don't find out about the darknets. (See: "Even the censors in China" passage)<p>- There is a second type of censorship beyond overt government censorship: "Censorship through complexity." Harkens back to the earlier discussion in the interview about the 'self-censorship' pyramid for journalists.<p>- Journalists should give all of their source data, not just choice quotes, so that people can make up their own minds. (See: "scientific journalism")<p>- "Most wars in the 20th century have started as a result of lies. Amplified and spread by the mainstream press. And you go, well that is a horrible circumstance, that is terrible that all these wars start with lies. And I say no, this is a tremendous opportunity, because it means that populations basically don't like wars and they have to be lied into it. And that means we can be truthed into peace."
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bytefactory大约 12 年前
Very interesting. I'm curious about the role Eric Schmidt and Google play in this, however.<p>From the looks of it, Eric definitely seemed to be a supporter (especially considering how he mentioned getting in trouble for being against Patriot I and Patriot II), yet Google hasn't spoken out against CISPA. Seeing as how Assange mentioned how important funding was for the movement, I would think it'd be very easy for Google to funnel a few million dollars to Wikileaks if they truly wanted to help.<p>Too bad there's not more about those aspects being discussed.
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aray大约 12 年前
Pretty good summary by the Verge, but definitely worth reading the whole thing: <a href="http://www.theverge.com/2013/4/19/4241486/eric-schmidt-and-julian-assange-conversation-published-on-wikileaks" rel="nofollow">http://www.theverge.com/2013/4/19/4241486/eric-schmidt-and-j...</a>
stevep98大约 12 年前
[LS spills water all over her note taking laptop]<p>[JA quickly grabs her laptop and turns it upside down]<p>JC: Ha ha ha! Why do I feel that has happened before?<p>LS: Did you see how fast he was? It was like an impulse.
generalseven大约 12 年前
Great discussion in there about Bitcoin, Namecoin, alternative CA system, anonymity, censorship, etc.
tomrod大约 12 年前
Well now I'm looking forward to the book.<p>I greatly appreciate Julian Assange's views, even if his approach runs afoul of the law.
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lawnchair_larry大约 12 年前
On "putting people at risk":<p>--<p>So if we look at the attacks on us, they always talk about the words "placed people at risk." But risk relative to what? Is it a proportionate risk? Is it a risk that is significant enough that it is even worth speaking about?<p>So these rhetorical tricks are often used by people who are making their argument in relation to security. What has to be done is people need to engage in an intellectual defense against manipulation by rhetoric by understanding that if someone mentions that there is a risk without saying the risk is higher than crossing the road, or the risk is twice that of being stung by a bee, then you must ignore it. Similarly with possibility versus probability.<p>--
guybrushT大约 12 年前
Definitely worth a read. Its like reading a wonderful short story that just works on so many levels. It has many layers - interesting ideas on technology, free-speech, values &#38; idealism, information flow, bitcoin - plus the personalities involved themselves (JA, ES). Fascinating indeed.<p>In particular, I am intrigued by JA's thoughts on a peer-to-peer mobile network. For those who understand this well, can you explain how feasible it is to do this today? What are the challenges involved? Why isn't a startup doing this? It would be nice to one day, bypass the telecom company towers to transmit data directly to another person/phone.
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mz1988大约 12 年前
Eric Schmidt is not google ceo, he is google chairman
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junto大约 12 年前
There are some interesting comments in here, namely:<p>"So, on the one hand we have live dynamic services and organizations... well there's three things. Live dynamic services. Organizations that run those services, so that you are referring to a hierarchy. You are referring to a system of control. An organization, a government, that represents an organized evolving group. And on the other hand you have artefacts. You have human intellectual artefacts that have the ability to be completely independent from any system of human control. They are out there in the Platonic realm somehow. And shouldn't in fact be referred to by an organization. They should be referred to in a way that is intrinsic to the intellectual content, that arises out of the intellectual content! I think that is an inevitable and very important way forward, and where this... where I saw that this was a problem was dealing with a man by the name of Nahdmi Auchi. A few years ago was listed by one of the big business magazines in the UK as the fifth richest man in the UK. In 1980 left Iraq. He'd grown rich under Saddam Hussein's oil industry. And is alleged by the Italian press to be involved in a load of arms trading there, he has over two hundred companies run out of his Luxembourg holding unit. And several that we discovered in Panama. He had infiltrated the British Labour political establishment to the degree that the 20th business birthday in London he was given a painting signed by 146 members Commons including Tony Blair. He's the same guy who was the principal financier of Tony Rezko. Tony Rezko was the financier and fundraiser of Rod Blagoyevich, from Chicago. Convicted of corruption. Tony Rezko has been convicted of corruption. And Barack Obama. He was the intermediary who helped Barack Obama buy one of his houses and then the money not directly for the house but it bouyed up Tony Rezko's finances came from that... [indistinct]. So during the - this is detail, but it will get to a point. During the 2008 presidential primaries a lot of attention was turned to Barack Obama by the US press, unsurprisingly. And so it started to look into his fundraisers, and discovered Tony Rezko, and then they just started to turn their eyes towards Nadhmi Auchi. Auchi then hired Carter Ruck, a rather notorious firm of London libel solicitors, whose founder, Carter Ruck, has been described as doing for freedom of speech what the Boston strangler did for door to door salesmen.<p>And he started writing letters to all of the London papers who had records of his 2003 extradition to France and conviction for corruption in France over the Elf-Acquitaine scandal. Where he had been involved in taking kickbacks on selling the invaded Kuwaiti governments' oil refineries in order to fund their operations while Iraq had occupied it. So the Guardian pulled three articles from 2003. So they were five years old. They had been in the Guardian's archive for 5 years. Without saying anything. If you go to those URLs you will not see "removed due to legal threats." You will see "page not found." And one from the Telegraph. And a bunch from some American publications. And bloggers, and so on. Important bits of history, recent history, that were relevant to an ongoing presidential campaign in the United States were pulled out of the intellectal record. They were also pulled out of the Guardian's index of articles. So why? The Guardian's published in print, and you can go to the library and look up those articles. They are still there in the library. How would you know that they were there in the library? To look up, because they are not there in the Guardian's index. Not only have they ceased to exist, they have ceased to have ever existed. Which is the modern implementation of Orwell's dictum that he controls the present controls the past and he who controls the past controls the future. Because the past is stored physically in the present. All records of the past. This issue of preserving politically salient intellectual content while it is under attack is central to what WikiLeaks does -- because that is what we are after! We are after those bits that people are trying to suppress, because we suspect, usually rightly, that they're expending economic work on suppressing those bits because they perceive that they are going to induce some change."
dreen大约 12 年前
Is there a recording of the talk? I would much prefer that to the transcript.
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navs大约 12 年前
I can't get over the Fiji comment. I'm from there you see and I'd never heard of this particular theory regarding the CIA.
tmanx大约 12 年前
SC: This is a fantastic tree. It keeps us totally dry.<p>LOL
shakiba大约 12 年前
TL;DR!
kybernetyk大约 12 年前
Ugh, is Eric Schmidt really that non-technical that he can't remember the right name for TOR?<p>I mean I don't expect him to write code or know the implementation details of TCP/IP but as Google CEO he should at least know a little about the field his company is playing in and the right names for the more important technologies.<p>Or is this some kind of practical joke I don't get?
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