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NeXT Computer

195 点作者 nashequilibrium大约 12 年前

28 条评论

ajross大约 12 年前
&#62; <i>with a Motorola 68030 CPU running at a screaming 25Mhz, [...] this was the "Ferrari" of desktop systems!</i><p>Um, no. The NeXT cube competed mostly directly in price and market against MIPS and SPARC boxes which ran rings around it (quite literally 4x faster on typical CPU benchmarks in many cases). It was never a performance platform, and would only fall farther behind as the 68k architecture failed.<p>There were many things to like about the platform, but really NeXT was a very flawed system. It lacked the speed and features to compete with machines in its price range, yet was priced out of the PC and Mac world where it's UI and integration would otherwise have been attractive.
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wtallis大约 12 年前
Some things to take note of:<p>Scroll bars are on the left, and the scroll buttons are at the same end of the scroll bar.<p>NeXTSTEP GUI programs adhered to a well-defined concept of an <i>application</i>: they're stored on-disk as self-contained app bundles that appear in the file manager as a single file, there's one Dock tile per application, one menu per application, and zero or more windows per running application. OS X has somewhat weakened this.<p>Menus are vertically arranged, and can be re-positioned. Sub-menus can also be torn off and re-positioned.<p>Unlike OS X's Dock, when you fire up an application that isn't already in the Dock, the app icon goes in the bottom-left corner of the screen (which is also where minimized windows go). The app icons in the Dock are only the ones that you have selected to stay in the Dock even when the application isn't running.<p>The window close and minimize buttons are in different corners, and the close button provides visual indication of a window containing an unsaved document.<p>The display is grayscale, but the software supports color.
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ebbv大约 12 年前
There was a lot of awesome things about NeXT machines and NeXTStep but there were also crappy things. The endless list of nested menus for example was nice in that it was standard and you knew what to expect in every application, but also could be less than ideal in some applications.<p>Nostalgia favors remembering the good things and forgets the frustrations of daily usage.<p>In the end NeXT failed not because the machines were too expensive (it was competing against Sun, DEC and SGI workstations which were also very expensive, so the price was not really out of line in that context -- only if you compare it to PCs, which you shouldn't.) It lost for a variety of other reasons, and I'm sure if you talk to 20 different people who placed the PO's for workstations in the early 90's you'd get 20 different reasons.<p>A lot of the times it just came down to "Our guys are used to SunOS/Irix/etc. and don't want to adjust." Or "Our software works best on X." or only works on X. etc.
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akamaka大约 12 年前
John Romero's blog has a nice write-up about how id Software developed Doom on Next Step back in 1993. Complete with a screenshot of the level editor: <a href="http://planetromero.com/2006/12/apple-next-merger-birthday" rel="nofollow">http://planetromero.com/2006/12/apple-next-merger-birthday</a>
erikj大约 12 年前
Those who want to experience NeXTSTEP without the hurdle of installing a VM should try GNUstep. This project aims to faithfully recreate the NeXT's software environment, with the omission of Mach and its IPC mechanisms.<p><a href="http://www.gnustep.org/" rel="nofollow">http://www.gnustep.org/</a><p>You can easily install it in major GNU/Linux distributions through the package manager, look for wmaker and gworkspace.app packages.
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Bud大约 12 年前
I owned a NeXT Cube (since sold) and a NeXTStation Turbo Color, which I still have and which still powers up nicely. Monitor and NeXT laser printer still work as well. Pretty impressive for 20-year-old hardware. And still a beautiful, sleek design, if you can get past the 100-pound color monitor. Owning a NeXT in the early 1990s and the first days of the Web was like having super powers.
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bernardlunn大约 12 年前
Ah, the memories, the memories. Yes kids I was there and it was beautiful. My company built systems for financial traders. There was always a battle between the techs in the banks who wanted something architecturally elegant e.g. object oriented and the traders who wanted a UX that worked in an incredibly high pressure environment. In some deals the techies won and in some deals the traders won and in both cases the bank lost. NeXT was the only thing that was equally good at both. We ported to NeXT and sold a few. The rest as they say is history (i.e. NeXT disappeared into the dustbin of history and remerged in Jobs's brilliant second act. Today in our real time social mobile web we are all like traders, so that is why we have NeXT 3.o aka the iPhone.
dredmorbius大约 12 年前
For those who'd like to get a sense of what the NeXT desktop was like, there's the WindowMaker window manager for X11.<p>I've actually been using it for a decade and a half (trying others from time to time as well). It's very light and fast on modern hardware, the codebase is remarkably stable (development has just re-started after stagnating for 6-7 years), and it's configurable (I've got numerous hotkey shortcuts defined which I miss terribly when I'm in another environment).<p>In a world where I'm coming to appreciate calming interfaces, WindowMaker is very much one such. I've only recently discovered Readability (similar to InstaPaper or Pocket / Read It Later), and there's a certain similarity of spirit between the two.<p>Also, as others have noted, Cocoa for OS X contains a <i>lot</i> of NeXTstep-isms under the hood.
kickingvegas大约 12 年前
I have a copy of the original NeXT product information and IDC bulletin which I scanned a while back for posterity.<p>Posting here for those interested.<p><a href="http://yummymelon.com/devnull/next-is-the-reason-why-you-have-your-iphone.html" rel="nofollow">http://yummymelon.com/devnull/next-is-the-reason-why-you-hav...</a>
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j7大约 12 年前
Aside from the beauty of this restore, I thought it was cool to see the UI influences the NeXT's OS had on Mac OS. I've never seen screenshots until now, but you can definitely see aspects carried through to its successor.
yanowitz大约 12 年前
When looking at the terminal screen shot, I can't help but think of the classic "csh considered harmful" (<a href="http://www.perl.com/doc/FMTEYEWTK/versus/csh.whynot" rel="nofollow">http://www.perl.com/doc/FMTEYEWTK/versus/csh.whynot</a>) (Which is itself a classic "meme" before "memes" were a misused "meme").
DanBC大约 12 年前
&#62; All the NeXT components are displayed here, showing a clean and well engineered assembly, demonstrating a design asthetic that extended to the inside of the NeXT cube computer.<p>Some machines are really nice inside. IBM (and some Lenovo); some HPUX machines; etc; have really nice well laid out insides.<p>It's a shame that this approach is dying, even though most people don't need it and benefit more from semi-disposable hardware.
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bhauer大约 12 年前
At first glance, I thought MazeWar looks a lot like MIDI-Maze [1].<p>And, sure enough on looking it up, MazeWar [2] is cited as inspiration for MIDI-Maze.<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIDI_Maze" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIDI_Maze</a><p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maze_War" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maze_War</a>
melling大约 12 年前
Does anyone remember this NeXTStep game? Apple still has it for the Mac.<p><a href="http://developer.apple.com/library/mac/#samplecode/BlastApp/Introduction/Intro.html#//apple_ref/doc/uid/DTS40012297-Intro-DontLinkElementID_2" rel="nofollow">http://developer.apple.com/library/mac/#samplecode/BlastApp/...</a><p>I did some NeXTStep programming 20 years ago. I converted the Tetris game to color when they finally shipped the NeXTstation Color. If someone has the Tetris source, I'd like to look at again and see how close it is to the iOS stuff I'm doing these days.
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dmourati大约 12 年前
"Your printer is out of paper" <a href="http://web.figure1.net/next/printer/english/nopaper.snd" rel="nofollow">http://web.figure1.net/next/printer/english/nopaper.snd</a>
pacaro大约 12 年前
If this whets the appetite of anyone in the Seattle area, I have a couple of pizza boxes (one turbo color) with soundboxes, a mouse, keyboard and monitor all looking for a new home.<p>All this is most likely non-functioning, but anyone who wants it is welcome to it. I can be contacted at gmail.com
kailuowang大约 12 年前
I have one box like this under my desk, nobody knew what it is. <a href="https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-iliZcxPMKgY/UYQcH1pKKvI/AAAAAAAADKM/ZuNIV_RAET4/w994-h1325/IMG_20130503_161810.jpg" rel="nofollow">https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-iliZcxPMKgY/UYQcH1pKKvI/A...</a>
lazyjones大约 12 年前
NeXT was way out of my own price range in the early 90's (I only had an Atari ST). At our university there were mostly DECstations and Sun workstations, apparently due to huge discounts (50%+) these vendors gave to academic institutions and because they were also used as servers (with NCD X-Terminals as clients).<p>The amazing design and focus on graphics power may have hurt sales in these circles because it would have been hard to justify a high price for eyecandy over raw cpu power and most universities outside the US were probably not adequately funded at that time (perhaps Jobs overestimated that market?).
cwisecarver大约 12 年前
I bought my first Mac a TiBook when OSX was still in beta because I knew it was based on the OS that the world wide web was invented on. I've got the NeXT Bible at home on a shelf. I've been looking to buy a cube for years and have only found them for $5k+ on ebay. I know they're rare but does anyone have one they want to sell for a reasonable amount or know of a place selling them?
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tardigrade大约 12 年前
I had always assumed osx's aqua interface was behind the dock, very cool to get a chance to see what their predecessor looked like in action.
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mwexler大约 12 年前
Lots to love about NeXT. I got a kick out of the display PostScript screen. Very few other computers or workstations ever took that route. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Display_PostScript" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Display_PostScript</a> tells a bit more about how it evolved into PDFish displays in Mac OSX.
ludwigvan大约 12 年前
Since there are Mathematica screenshots on NeXT computers, here is a trivia: Mathematica owes its name to Steve Jobs. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathematica#Trivia" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathematica#Trivia</a>
robterrell大约 12 年前
Not to be needlessly pedantic, but MazeWars was originally on Macs circa ...1985? I know we played it in the dorms at Virginia Tech over phone-net (some homemade!) connectors in 1986-7. Pretty sure I had seen it long before then.
austenallred大约 12 年前
All I could think about as I was looking through the pictures and reading was, "Wow that is a good looking computer." Perhaps it's the designer in me, but it just has a completely different feel to it.
hnriot大约 12 年前
I remember going to their store on university avenue (palo alto) which is think today is the location of an apple store. I used Apollo workstations at the time, but the NeXT boxes looked really cool.
bambax大约 12 年前
On this picture:<p><a href="http://www.johnmirandaphoto.com/next/_DSC6359.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://www.johnmirandaphoto.com/next/_DSC6359.jpg</a><p>there is something under the cube. What is it? A hard drive maybe...?
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camperman大约 12 年前
Steve Jobs demoing the NeXT in 1990: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cx684Eta4KA" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cx684Eta4KA</a>
headbiznatch大约 12 年前
Steve Jobs blah blah blah UNIX blah blah blah Apple blah blah UX nerdery blah blah blah blah blah.<p>OK - now the important stuff about the Cube:<p><a href="https://www.google.com/search?q=next+magnesium+case+burn" rel="nofollow">https://www.google.com/search?q=next+magnesium+case+burn</a>