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Teenagers Hate Facebook, but They're Not Logging Off

127 点作者 duggieawesome将近 12 年前

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dkulchenko将近 12 年前
Teen here.<p>I'm firmly in the "hate it but can't stop using it" camp. I've tried G+, and for a brief period a few of my friends tried it as well, but we switched back when it failed to reach critical mass. That's all Facebook has going for it, really, is the people using it; I'm sure most of us would switch to a better network if given the chance, but we won't do it unless a significant majority of our friends come along with us.<p>I don't like Facebook's approach to privacy, I absolutely hate how many permissions the Facebook app requires on my Android phone, but if I cut myself off of Facebook I'm losing out on a huge, huge percentage of social interaction with people who I know but am not particularly close to (which for most people is at least 80% of their friends list). Plus all the history I've amassed on Facebook since grade 7.<p>For better or worse, teens are stuck on Facebook for the time being, and unlike the move from MySpace, I don't see switching off of it happening any time soon. Sure, there's Twitter, Instagram, etc. which are also heavily used by my age group, but only as secondary networks - Facebook remains the definition of online social interaction.<p>EDIT: A few more thoughts:<p>An important part of it mentioned elsewhere in the thread is the fact that Facebook basically acts as a glorified address book/communications hub - if I want Chris to come to my party or add him to a group conversation about something or share a picture with him, all I need is his name. Not an email, not a phone number, just a name. It's pretty incredible if you think about it. Nothing else comes close.
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mladenkovacevic将近 12 年前
If anyone can leave Facebook it's teens. Their social networks aren't developed/mature enough where they have to depend on other people's social network preferences. Most teens could literally leave on a whim and bring most of their friend with them. I still remember how quick the exodus from ICQ to MSN was (and nobody hated ICQ.. it just kinda happened).<p>Also when a teen tells you that they hate something because there's too much drama.. it means they fuckin' love it. They CAN leave but they don't want to because Facebook is so effective at stoking their out-of-control hormones. With Instagram in the fold this is especially true. As for why everyone else is on Facebook? Well it's because everyone else is on Facebook. And how else are you going to see pictures from your out-of-the-country relatives or creep on your high-school crush. I think Facebook has reached enough critical mass to not have to worry about becoming irrelevant for quite some time. For the record I don't use Facebook much myself, other than to keep a reminder of when everyone's birthday is.
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_lex将近 12 年前
I guess facebook has truly become a utility: It's a semi-monopolist users hate, but they find it too hard to cut the cord. Sounds like AT&#38;T, Comcast etc.
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neilk将近 12 年前
In 2007, danah boyd posited that teens don't get stuck to social networks. The theory was that they didn't need to maintain a giant extended network, because they saw their friends every day anyway. Besides they are shifting friend groups constantly, so rebuilding a profile is like spring cleaning.<p><a href="http://www.zephoria.org/thoughts/archives/2007/01/01/ephemeral_profi.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.zephoria.org/thoughts/archives/2007/01/01/ephemer...</a><p>She later argues that Facebook became the network of choice among college-bound kids. Maybe that sort of person does want to maintain an extended network (dkulchenko's example is about internships, for instance).<p>So was is it true that teens are more able to switch, or not? Was it always wrong? Has it changed as Facebook ate the entire social networking universe? I would appreciate it if younger HN'ers weighed in.
Zelphyr将近 12 年前
"Facebook is the living dead: the most popular, least relevant social network where teenagers and adults alike gather out of fear of missing out on things that don't even make them happy."<p>Best description of Facebook I've ever read.
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redidas将近 12 年前
I wonder if there's a market for several smaller "social" networks centered around a single focus?<p>I was in college when facebook was expanding through universities. It was great, and the experience and content on facebook mirrored college life.<p>When it expanded beyond college and added the news feed, I found myself using it less. College-me was not the person I was for my grandma. I didn't care about the political views of my parents' friend who I hadn't seen in 10 years.<p>And it wasn't just me - Every now and then I log in to facebook to see what old classmates have been up to, and a lot of them have become inactive like myself.<p>The article mentions teens liking instagram more - its has a purpose centered around photos, and that it.<p>Writing this, I kind of miss old facebook and its limited uses.
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crazygringo将近 12 年前
Ummm... "hate"?! Give me a break. Sensationalist headline.<p>According to the article, <i>one</i> 15-year-old girl said she "hated" it. Otherwise, the majority complained about adults, negative interactions and oversharing -- none of which really has anything to do with Facebook, but rather the specific friends they've added, or the concept of a social network in general.
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stephengillie将近 12 年前
Mobile page looks down, but article is still up on main page: <a href="http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2013/05/22/teenagers_hate_facebook_a_pew_study_says_that_94_percent_of_teens_use_facebook.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2013/05/22/teenagers_ha...</a>
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xpose2000将近 12 年前
Next headline. . . "Teens hate parents, but Can't Leave". Give me a break.
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fossuser将近 12 年前
I'm always a little confused why hacker news seems to love to hate facebook. Pretty weak posts like this appear and everyone in the comments gets to brag about how they don't have a facebook or facebook is on the way out etc.
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mosqutip将近 12 年前
Facebook has no real incentive to reach out to this age group. They won't earn much profit off of teens, and teens are younger than their original demographic (college-aged students).<p>Also, I thought the line about "everyone says Facebook is dying" was quite telling. The stats say otherwise, but people will believe what they want (or what the media tells them).
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protomyth将近 12 年前
the link to the report: <a href="http://www.pewinternet.org/Reports/2013/Teens-Social-Media-And-Privacy.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://www.pewinternet.org/Reports/2013/Teens-Social-Media-A...</a>
ethnt将近 12 年前
I'm a senior in high school, and I've found that with college coming up, Facebook is becoming increasingly important to talk with the other kids that are in your college class. There's a group for my class, and I've already befriended a few of them. This sort of community isn't found on places like Twitter.<p>A large part of my high school class is on Twitter, but I can't stand to follow them. Most of them are blithering idiots, spewing incomplete, barely legible sentences about some stupid thing they've done.<p>I have tried to get people to use Path, but it hasn't caught. I see it as the replacement for Facebook. However, as other commenters have said, it would be impossible for Path to compete with Facebook because they don't have the sheer numbers of people that Facebook has. If I meet someone and want to continue communicating with them online, Facebook is the place to do that: I know that they're there.
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superuser2将近 12 年前
When people I know (teens) say they "hate" Facebook, they mean they hate the amount of time they waste on Facebook. That's my chief complaint. It's an easy thing to do while mentally idling, and costs no effort, attention, or money. And you're on a variable-ratio schedule for dopamine hits. I quickly developed a habit where I spend dead time mindlessly browsing Facebook instead of doing something productive.<p>This is the <i>only</i> complaint I hear from my friends. Nobody in my age group has ever mentioned ad targeting, and people with nosy adult "friends" know how to use privacy settings to hide from them. The only reason I've ever been given in person for quitting Facebook is the time-sink.<p>My point is that we don't want to "leave" to another social network. We want to stop using social networking. But we can't, because spam-free email by real name is powerful, locked in, and occasionally necessary.
coin将近 12 年前
I absolutely hate these mobile "optimized" sites (Slate) that disable pinch zoom.
LordHumungous将近 12 年前
People "hate" facebook the same way that an older generation "hated" TV. Yeah it's full of shallow, vapid content, but it's entertaining, and as long as it continues to be entertaining people will use it.
pdenya将近 12 年前
&#62; “Honestly,” one 15-year-old girl told Pew, “I'm on it constantly but I hate it so much.”<p>Maybe I'm too far from high school but I can't picture a situation where you would have to use FB "constantly" even though you "hate it". It's not really explained in the article either, there's just some superficial quotes about "Drama" and "Adult presence".<p>I know adult's who say they hate facebook but maintain accounts but this equates to logging in for a couple minutes a couple times a week, liking some photos, maybe posting a few and then getting on with their day.
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etjossem将近 12 年前
Tangentially related: a Facebook app called Social Roulette (which purported to have a 1/6 chance of "helping" a user delete his/her account) was recently deactivated.<p><a href="http://fffff.at/when-you-dont-own-yourself/" rel="nofollow">http://fffff.at/when-you-dont-own-yourself/</a><p>Facebook certainly doesn't want to make leaving easy, but really, what else did we expect?
adregan将近 12 年前
I really wish facebook could help me manage the outer reaches of my social sphere—those I contact infrequently, whom I care about, but am not in constant communication. Something that would prod me to send a message or something to an old friend I hadn't remembered to email in the past month or so.
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Servora将近 12 年前
There is a reason why Facebook remains the most popular social media website. It's ability to link to thousands of different websites and apps gives its an edge up against other social media websites.
nuttendorfer将近 12 年前
Seems to me like people are returning to instant messaging in the form of mobile messaging like WhatsApp and Kik. I wonder who will come out as the winner in this race.
mrwnmonm将近 12 年前
i don't like facebook, but i think it's the only service that got the social network right, just tell me what are the real competitors to facebook, don't say G+
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calinet6将近 12 年前
Teens hate everything. Don't worry, they'll grow out of it.
enriclluelles将近 12 年前
Teens spend 30 seconds per minute hating facebook, right after the 30 seconds they spent loving it
mtdewcmu将近 12 年前
Robots have already become our masters, without firing a shot.