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Internet Forums Reimagined: The Future Of Online Discussions

56 点作者 Supermighty将近 12 年前

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columbo将近 12 年前
Most of these systems feel like skins on previous iterations (vbulletin, usenet, irc, reddit). Here's the things I don't see and I'm pretty sure I know why.<p>* The OP doesn't own the post, the OP is just the person that started the conversation at this time. Every time I open something controversial the first/top-voted reply is a counter-point. Typically a few days later there's a full-fledged counter-point article that (again) gets voted to the top. Instead these should exists in the same space. It should be possible to replace/modify the OP or directly challenge the topic without having to start another thread entirely.<p>* I want to see the people I'm interested in, topics they start, and topics that interest me. My front page should be custom (and no, I don't mean reddit subscriptions). Reddit subscriptions is a manual approach to what should be a fluid-dynamic system. I might subscribe to "ham-radio" find some people I enjoy talking to and if they subscribe to something else, like "shortwave-radio", then I should start seeing things from "shortwave-radio" that -they- found interesting.<p>* Bikeshedding should be embraced, there should be the concept of side-conversations. It's a part of our system. The problem with bikeshedding is that it is repeated ad-nauseum and the only current approach to solve it is to delete it and push people to some 300 page/dead/closed thread from 2003. When someone starts to bikeshed, and people begin to respond, they should go into a special area that takes them away from the main group. Really what's happening is a 'side-conversation' that has it's own value to the individuals participating. It's like going to a party and discussing the merits of the Death Star, I'm sure there are wikipedia pages that could answer all questions but sometimes people enjoy debating something.<p>* Arguments should be embraced, and hidden. When you get into a heated argument with someone there should be a system where slowly the conversation moves away from the main thread and becomes hidden from the rest of the community. Just like bikeshedding, there's no reason to bring people that aren't interested into the conversation. Eventually these threads should be deleted, they don't need to persist forever (you can always choose to do this by taking a screenshot).<p>None of these are easy problems, some of them would be near impossible given current hardware.
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patrickmay将近 12 年前
Just as the majority of new languages tout features that were available in Lisp 50 years ago, all of this new forum software recreates Usenet, poorly.<p>A compelling offering would build on netnews, not ignore it. In particular:<p>- Threading. Real threading, with subtopics, not the impossible to follow simplistic nested comments currently offered.<p>- State. Remember which comments have been read and only show new content.<p>- Killfiles. Let the user decide which topics and other participants to read rather than requiring the forum owner to act as a censor.<p>- Multiple clients. Allow the forum to be accessed by each user's preferred forum client.<p>Perhaps there is a commercial opportunity for a company to provide the nntp protocol and manage storage for fora that want rich discussion capabilities.
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NelsonMinar将近 12 年前
It seems inevitable to me that Google is going to shut down Google Groups or else fold it into Google+ in some unpleasant way. Maybe when that free option is taken off the table there will be more room for a commercial solution.
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trhaynes将近 12 年前
I think Quora (<a href="http://www.quora.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.quora.com/</a>) and Branch (<a href="http://www.branch.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.branch.com/</a>) are relevant here.
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azinman2将近 12 年前
Funny as there wasn't really anything re-imagined about the online discussions -- they're still lists of effectively anonymous text.<p>I might be quite opinionated on this as much of my PhD thesis [1] was focused on what could be new ways to interact with people online.<p>There are several core problems with the way discussions work right now.<p>1. Too much content means you'll miss a lot. Sorting is usually effectively random, especially in relation to what you'd find interesting. Summary is one approach, but nothing has been executed spectacularly well compared to what could be.<p>2. The current design is purely a text entry (of only one comment) plus some tiny representation of the poster. In real life, we focus more on the person and what we can ascertain in order to determine credibility, if they're a jerk or someone we want to talk to, etc.<p>3. We're also making the assumption that keyboard-based text is the best &#38; only way to express ourselves. Video/images in abstract are just as vague -- I'm talking more specialized interactions to build up a "speech act" in some new form/medium. Jeff Heer's sense.us [2] is just one of a million ways that could be done in a more fine-grained goal-oriented fashion.<p>Plus text is much less interesting to look at than something pretty and graphical.<p>4. There are varying arguments about the goal of these discussions, but they can at least be seen as<p><pre><code> a) correcting some non-participant's information (blog post, paper, link, etc) b) attempting to determine main/alternative arguments for/against something c) attempting to reach group consensus d) normal social interaction for social interaction purposes (which itself is wide ranging) e) establishing a sense of community, intrinsically linked to (d) but still different f) sharing general knowledge g) expressivity to react to something </code></pre> Each of these sub-goals can be supported to a certain degree by existing paradigms but clearly if one goal is much more important than the next then it should be clear that new paradigms or designs are needed to better address one extremely well.<p>It's also the case that many are unicorns: attempting to reach group consensus is possible when thinking about software for small sets of people who need it, but fails when you're thinking about something large-scale like say 'answering' political questions in the US. Trying to dissuade people of their existing biases is a loosing battle. And there have been many tries at something like this, mostly in the research community at places like CHI and CSCW.<p>I personally think #2 is the most exciting, as that's what my PhD was about :) The primary interface doesn't have to be just a huge amount of bottom-up text... if we think more top-down we can gain a sense of a community, discussion, sets of people in a more direct manner. Computational ability is on our side to be able to compress large amounts of data by recognizing varying dimensions in which to navigate. We don't have to just look at 'votes,' but can think about the larger arc of an individual across all of their participation. That as a basis allows us to do what we can't do in real life: segment, shift, and synthesize individuals into groups, style, credibility, cultural position, social position, viewpoints and more.<p>[1] <a href="http://azinman.com/pdfs/aaron_zinman_phd_disstertation.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://azinman.com/pdfs/aaron_zinman_phd_disstertation.pdf</a><p>[2] <a href="http://hci.stanford.edu/jheer/files/jheer-thesis.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://hci.stanford.edu/jheer/files/jheer-thesis.pdf</a>
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kanzure将近 12 年前
I feel like someone could make a buck or two by offering a mail2forum gateway. That way, you can appease all the people complaining about how they want a phpbb-style forum (yes, I know phpbb was not first), and you can appease all the people that want to use email. Except, every time I have worked on this sort of tool, or seen others working on it, the community totally ignored it and didn't use the forum side at all.. oops.<p>I wish there was a legitimately good version of Google Groups out there. At this point, I can't decide which interface (Yahoo Groups versus Google Groups) is worse. It's like trying to decide between SourceForge and LaunchPad... yeah right.
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nodata将近 12 年前
Online discussions are crap. Quickly derailed by well-meaning or not well-meaning people, the original question or discussion is sidetracked by something more interesting, or irrelevant.<p>I'd like to see structured evidence-based discussions that aim for a conclusion without allowing people to talk in circles. Anecdotal evidence would not be allowed. Anything off-topic would not be allowed.<p>HN gets derailed the whole time by something tangentially related to the original posting, and I guess people like that: but we should also aim for communities where structured discussion is possible.<p>Something more debate-like perhaps.
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pessimism将近 12 年前
You should check out Microcosm (<a href="http://microco.sm/" rel="nofollow">http://microco.sm/</a>), which is my favourite of the upcoming paid forum CMSes out there.<p>The API documentation for Microcosm is seriously impressive, especially at this stage: <a href="http://microcosm-cc.github.io/" rel="nofollow">http://microcosm-cc.github.io/</a>.<p>I have my own pet project at <a href="http://pony-forum.com" rel="nofollow">http://pony-forum.com</a>, but it’s more of a hobby project at the moment. But I think it’s also too early for non-technical users to use the CMSes listed in the article; they’re more like alpha or beta versions at this point.
aswanson将近 12 年前
The number one problem with most forums, imo, hn included, is the lack of a decent notification mechanism. In order to drive engagement, users need to know what is being responded to.
staltz将近 12 年前
Another one to add to that list: Iroquote (<a href="http://www.iroquote.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.iroquote.com</a>), by yours truly.<p>Two really new things in our forum software: communities are democratic (no admin "owners") and discussions are summarized (no 20-page comments to read through). We're going to launch public next week and that means anyone will be able to host free feature-full ad-less forums on our platform.
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Supermighty将近 12 年前
Are there enough simple ruby hosts for Discourse to catch on? In the same way that there were simple php hosts that helped PHPBB catch on.
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mkoble11将近 12 年前
I've been excited about discourse ever since it was announced.<p>If anyone knows how to build an infrastructure for online communities, it's Jeff Atwood.
fakeer将近 12 年前
Of all the forums I've tried (I am on many of those very famous forums; have an account and/or have used it at some time or the other) I find MetaFilter the best - minus the interface[1]. In terms of quality and atmosphere of the forum.<p>Answers and participation is of high quality. It's hardly ever overwhelming. Maybe because of relatively less number of (paying/one-time) users.<p>Doing away with threading somehow kills the flow of discussion and keeping it makes it ugly and difficult to present, especially when they nest quite deep.<p>All the forums mentioned in the post just seem to be using different templates(visual) for the same system and none of them is doing sth new that is not already existing in other systems.<p>[1] It's just too ugly and unintuitive.