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Treaty gives Hong Kong option to reject Snowden extradition to the US

108 点作者 gridscomputing将近 12 年前

9 条评论

jenandre将近 12 年前
Sorry, but I don&#x27;t buy this guy&#x27;s story. Something is just incredibly fishy.<p>I don&#x27;t buy this guy&#x27;s argument for going to Hong Kong, e.g. that has a history of free speech, and its supposed autonomy from the mainland -- even after all of these years, Chinese pressure prevents Taiwan from international recognition. You think they are just letting Hong Kong do its own thing? He seems intelligent and must be aware of this, especially having worked in the intelligence world. The Chinese firewall is the most renowned internet chokehold in the world. The Chinese are known for hacking Google to spy on their own citizens.<p>I just have to think of it if I were in his situation. If I were a freedom-loving individual looking to seek asylum, I&#x27;d probably first look at countries that granted asylum in similar cases that weren&#x27;t internationally renowned for suppressing freedom of speech. Assange has asylum with Ecuador, why not go there first? China is just such a weird choice for someone who is purportedly morally driven to his actions by privacy violations.<p>Not only that, this situation has nothing but upsides for the Chinese. It looks great for them to expose another world power is spying on their own citizens (and weakens any diplomatic arguments the US has when pressuring them to open up free speech and the internet). It&#x27;s also a nice thorn to retort after all of the recent hubbub about Chinese government hackers. If he wasn&#x27;t an active spy in the traditional definition feeding the Chinese information, he is certainly an asset by circumstance -- why wouldn&#x27;t they manipulate him to their benefit?<p>Now, that&#x27;s not saying the US did the right thing -- we kind of fucked ourselves here having PRISM in place first of all -- but I am not sure this guy is the lone ranger whistleblower hero is painting himself to be.
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einhverfr将近 12 年前
He probably did his research, looked at court systems etc. He probably expects to spend some time fighting over extradition. Its not really a bad call (Hong Kong). The question is, where do you want to fight? What battlefield do you want to choose?<p>I don&#x27;t know. It is probably better than many other choices. One major problem with choosing Ecuador is that if Ecuador is involved in both Snowden and Assange there are potentially large problems for them. I don&#x27;t doubt for a moment that Correa would love the fight, but I do doubt that it would last past one administration.<p>He&#x27;s the underdog. Wherever he chooses, he bears a huge level of risk. There is a lot to recommend HongKong.<p>But in addition, the fact that it poses important options for resisting extradition provides another way of fighting. If the Obama Administration wants this to go quietly they do not want a long extradition fight showing up in papers followed by a long court trial.
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bitserf将近 12 年前
I don&#x27;t see a downside for Hong Kong&#x2F;China in rejecting an extradition request.<p>Cynically, it&#x27;s leverage and they&#x27;ll have the moral high ground in the eyes of the world.
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uvdiv将近 12 年前
The article is confusing. More clearly: both Hong Kong <i>and</i> the PRC (mainland) can deny extraditions from HK to the US.<p><i>Beijing, which gave its consent for Hong Kong to sign the agreement, also has a right of veto if it believes the surrender of a fugitive would harm the &quot;defence, foreign affairs or essential public interest or policy&#x27;&#x27; of the People&#x27;s Republic of China. In short, the treaty makes Snowden&#x27;s fate a matter of political expediency not just in Hong Kong but in Beijing.</i><p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.guardian.co.uk&#x2F;world&#x2F;2013&#x2F;jun&#x2F;09&#x2F;edward-snowden-hong-kong-gamble" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.guardian.co.uk&#x2F;world&#x2F;2013&#x2F;jun&#x2F;09&#x2F;edward-snowden-h...</a>
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quackerhacker将近 12 年前
Given Snowden&#x27;s background in intel and the information exposed, I think he calculated his decision correctly. Even though other countries (like Iceland) are offering asylum, I really do believe Snowden choose a formidable country that opposes western views...anyone recall Hilary Clinton addressing China&#x27;s firewall, or Google pulling out?
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adamnemecek将近 12 年前
I wonder whether the HK government perceives him as an asset or liability.
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_rush将近 12 年前
why everybody thinks he&#x27;s realy in hongkong? at his place I&#x27;d say I&#x27;m in any place but real location.
anonymous将近 12 年前
So that&#x27;s where the Snowdens of yesteryear are.
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bifrost将近 12 年前
Snowden is probably already a PRC citizen, he doesn&#x27;t have much to worry about.