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The problem with GNOME 3

76 点作者 felipec将近 12 年前

19 条评论

darklajid将近 12 年前
I don&#x27;t understand these posts. More, I dislike them a lot.<p>Gnome 3 rants are boring. Yes, people don&#x27;t like the way the project moves. Some of those are very vocal and outspoken. Some rant on a blog. The thing is: Either the author cares about the Gnome project, in which case this is _no_ constructive way to put it (Hey, why don&#x27;t you work on a better legacy mode? Propose a Gnome Shell extension API?). No, the &#x27;But I tried it before, over and over, and they don&#x27;t listen&#x27; argument is no excuse.<p>Or the author just does&#x27;t like the project and wants to bash it. In that case posts like this one might make some weird kind of sense, but I yawn skimming them, hit flag on news aggregators like this and wish the author good luck with a Gnome 2 fork or a different DE of his choosing.<p>Hi, my name is Ben and I&#x27;m a happy Gnome 3 user. I&#x27;m sure there are others out there like me. Maybe we need to shout more? That would certainly remove stupid &#x27;Google suggestions&#x27; arguments or &#x27;of all the people that took this weird poll, x % hate Gnome 3&#x27; pseudo-statistics from future rants.
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CoffeeDregs将近 12 年前
I agree with some of the author&#x27;s points, but I&#x27;ve been using Gnome 3 from back when I had to use a damned crowbar and Debian Experimental repos to install Gnome 3. I certainly did have some not-totally-happy moments to begin with, but Gnome 3 has turned into a straightforward and very clean GUI. I&#x27;m pretty much using the default functionality and theme, so haven&#x27;t needed too much configuration.<p>And I was all about configuration in Gnome 2... Gnome 3 is definitely not like Gnome 2&#x27;s tweaker&#x27;s paradise. It was an effort to strip down to a minimalistic GUI and, after a rough start, they&#x27;ve done quite well. I&#x27;ve not missed the &quot;Start&quot; menu at all. I&#x27;ve not missed all the configuration&#x2F;tweaking. I appreciate the functionality exposed by the Windows button. I&#x27;ve gotten used to Alt-` for switching windows-within-applications.<p>But I definitely agree with the author&#x27;s points about the Gnome devs&#x27; response to feedback. Without regard to the trajectory of Gnome 3, the developers seems not to have managed or responded to criticism well. And Gnome 3 development and direction has been fairly quiet from a PR perspective, and a bit more PR&#x2F;blog-posts could have been effective and mollifying the haters.<p>Note: I don&#x27;t really use multiple workspaces, so can&#x27;t comment on the author&#x27;s comments there.
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programminggeek将近 12 年前
There is a much bigger problem with GNOME 3, it is fighting a battle that nobody cares about anymore. People using GNOME and KDE used to have this notion where they are trying to build a Windows replacement or a Mac replacement to get people to use FOSS.<p>Ubuntu showed that what needs to happen is to make a better UX overall and that has nothing to do with Mac or Windows.<p>What I mean by UX is stuff like drivers working, being able to install on a laptop or just buy it on a laptop and stuff &quot;just works&quot;. People will pay money to support things that work. They will buy things that work.<p>Millions of people are using Android, which is Linux based, because it just works on their device. The experience is pretty great and it makes it easy to do what you need to do when you need to do it.<p>GNOME 3 didn&#x27;t solve any user experience problem. It is new and shiny just because. It didn&#x27;t make it better than Ubuntu, or Windows, or Mac, or Android.
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dhruvmittal将近 12 年前
Another pretty big problem with the Gnome Project recently is that they&#x27;ve made Gnome less modular. Gnome used to be a collection of associated software- you had a window manager, a panel, a compositor, panel applications and widgets, a settings-daemon, a keyring manager, a screensaver, etc. If you wanted something other than what Gnome wanted to provide, you swapped out metacity and compiz for xmonad. Or you bolted the settings-daemon onto another window manager. It&#x27;s been subtle, but with every 3.x version of gnome, a little more of the functionality just gets rolled into gnome-shell and is unable to run without it. Most recently, with 3.8, media keys are no longer handled by gnome-settings-daemon- you can now only have gnome&#x27;s media keys if you&#x27;re running gnome-shell.<p>I know a lot of people are going to say &quot;well, you&#x27;re not using the software for its intended purpose. it&#x27;s not their fault for breaking it.&quot; And that&#x27;s true, but modularity a big part of the Unix philosophy and this is Gnome showing the Unix way the door.
u2328将近 12 年前
I&#x27;m a big fan of GNOME 3, and strongly prefer it over other desktops. The GNOME guys&#x2F;gals have been doing a great job, and all the hate it gets is old and tired. If you don&#x27;t like it, that&#x27;s fine. There are many other great options available to you.<p>Look, we&#x27;re on GNOME 3.8 now. The ship of GNOME&#x27;s desktop design philosophy has sailed. Either GNOME broke up with you, or you broke up with it, but the relationship is over.<p>Get over it.
jmhain将近 12 年前
This article is so ignorant and painfully wrong in every single way. I think the author is just butthurt about being banned from GNOME&#x27;s bugzilla (which he very much deserved in my opinion).<p>GNOME 3 is by far the best desktop environment I have ever used. The extension system is brilliant; I have used it to tweak every aspect to my liking. Every person I&#x27;ve shown it to, developer and otherwise, has loved it. It is incredibly polished and stable, especially in the latest version 3.8.<p>I&#x27;m tired of all the bullshit being spread about GNOME 3. If you&#x27;re going to cling to the past, you&#x27;re free to use a shitty--I&#x27;m sorry--<i>traditional</i> desktop environment.
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smacktoward将近 12 年前
The biggest problem with relying on a survey of users to determine what direction a software project should go is that users don&#x27;t know what they want.<p>Or rather, they know it, but only deep down in their subconscious, their lizard brain. Their conscious mind doesn&#x27;t know, because you&#x27;re asking them to pull specific things out of the nebulous cloud of the possible, and there&#x27;s too many of the damn things in that cloud for them to know which ones map to what they want.<p>That&#x27;s why they need developers. Developers know how to translate requirements into features. Users don&#x27;t. And they shouldn&#x27;t have to!<p>So if you ask them, what you get back tends to be:<p>- too vague (&quot;it should be easier&quot;);<p>- pie-in-the-sky stuff (&quot;it should whiten my teeth while I use it&quot;);<p>- or falling back on what they know, which is what they&#x27;ve had in the past (&quot;bring back feature X&quot;).<p>If you want to learn what users want, you have to watch them use the product, pick up on their frustrations, and creatively solve them. Asking them what they want leads you nowhere.
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QEDturtles将近 12 年前
If you&#x27;re looking for a useful critique of the Gnome 3 desktop, look elsewhere. Here&#x27;s ts;dr: Gnome developers are dumb. Every decision they ever made was stupid. I&#x27;m the smartest. They should listen to me but they don&#x27;t because they&#x27;re stupid.
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zalew将近 12 年前
Hated it at first, but recently switched do Gnome (3.6) and loving it.<p>&gt; There’s no other way to put it; GNOME 3 was a mistake.<p>There’s no other way to put it: your blog post is a mistake.
js4all将近 12 年前
I am happy with Gnome 3. I can&#x27;t understand the rants. If you don&#x27;t like it, use something else.
neumino将近 12 年前
I&#x27;m pretty sure if Apple would have release a desktop environment like Gnome 3, people would have love it.<p>I personally like how they do things, they provide what people need, not what people want. And I do believe that they provide an awesome and by far the best desktop environment.
bfrog将近 12 年前
Honestly gnome 3 convinced me to switch from using a few assorted others (xmonad, kde, xfce, etc) and just use gnome 3.<p>Its the only one that just works 90% of the time with crap that should work. Network, bluetooth, notifications, window management. I like the way all these things work. I have my minor qualms with it (alt+tab, multimonitor support, poor virtual machine performance)<p>Those few things aren&#x27;t deal breakers for me though
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bad_user将近 12 年前
1. configuration options are usually a symptom of a bad UI. But sometimes they are necessary.<p>Personally I get why Gnome 3 or Unity developers have cut down on configuration options, but on the other hand, for example it&#x27;s really frustrating in Unity not being able to move the left bar to the right. On OS X or on Windows (7 at least) this is extremely easy to do, as you can place that bar wherever you want it, to the left, to the right, at the bottom, wherever it feels more comfortable to you.<p>So it&#x27;s good that Gnome developers strive for interfaces that work well out of the box, but some choices have been rather dumb.<p>2. developers do listen to users, but unfortunately every user is different and have different preferences and needs, so whom do you listen to? Also, users aren&#x27;t really aware of what they really need, so you have to read between the lines. This is a sixth sense that many of us lack.<p>You need to have a strong dictator with good taste to drive good design. It&#x27;s pretty sad that we don&#x27;t have a dictator like Linus Torvalds for Gnome. Now that&#x27;s a guy that would have driven things forward.<p>3. it happens with us technical people that every time interfaces change, we bitch about it. Well I decided to embrace change. I like Gmail&#x27;s new Compose. I like most UI decisions from Ubuntu&#x2F;Unity. There I said it.<p>Good design doesn&#x27;t necessarily feel right from the start, because the lack of familiarity gets in the way. But the ultimate pursuit is that of simplicity, composability and usefulness. So from time to time, we should sacrifice familiarity for the mentioned purposes.<p>On the other hand, there&#x27;s no excuse for releasing broken interfaces. Gnome fell in the same trap that KDE did when version 4 was released - as in barely functional software getting released to unsuspecting users.
mixmastamyk将近 12 年前
The evisceration of nautilus is now a daily handicap... I don&#x27;t know what to do about it. There are some things the terminal isn&#x27;t good at.
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adrianlmm将近 12 年前
I&#x27;m a GNOME 3 user and I love it, I feel I&#x27;m more productive with it than with any other desktop.<p>GNOME 3 developers, you rock!
bluedino将近 12 年前
Tweak tools, customization - people need to learn that this doesn&#x27;t matter.<p>Look at the Mac. You can&#x27;t change anything. You can&#x27;t even change the colors. You&#x27;re stuck with what you&#x27;ve got. But people just learned to live with it. After you stop complaining and start working, you actually get things done.<p>Whenever I turn my Linux machine on, I&#x27;m always tweaking something. I can&#x27;t do that on my Mac. I&#x27;ve sat at Starbucks for over an hour installing themes and such. Talk about wasting time, but I guess I find it fun.<p>(I&#x27;m still using the old GNOME)
riquito将近 12 年前
&gt; I complained about GNOME 3 since day one<p>Maybe you need an attitude change
uvtc将近 12 年前
If you prefer a more traditional-style desktop, Xfce is very nice.
pjmlp将近 12 年前
Well, we could also use twm instead.