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Reddit co-founder on NSA snooping [video]

370 点作者 kn0thing将近 12 年前

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josh2600将近 12 年前
Goddamn right.<p>Every now and then we have defining moments of global consciousness. This has the potential to be one of those moments and we should never let a good crisis go to waste.<p>The danger here is that if we do nothing, that will be seen as tacit acceptance of the world&#x27;s largest spying apparatus. While I acknowledge there&#x27;s some necessity globally, domestic spying through secret courts is more synonymous with the Gulag than the American dream.<p>Stand up for what you believe in; this is one time you can.
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sp332将近 12 年前
<i>What is to be done? The answer is easy. It has always been easy. Stop saying &quot;not in my name&quot; and start saying &quot;over my dead body&quot;. That&#x27;s what we did. It works. Do it.</i><p>--Julian Assange, receiving the Global Exchange Human Rights Award <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;wlcentral.org&#x2F;node&#x2F;2818" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;wlcentral.org&#x2F;node&#x2F;2818</a>
hawkharris将近 12 年前
Alexis is a good speaker. It&#x27;s refreshing to see a founder talk about his startup in down-to-earth terms instead of being egotistical and speaking in platitudes.
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btipling将近 12 年前
Nice ddg plug at the end there. Always be closing. :P
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robomartin将近 12 年前
Perhaps the number one priority of those in tech should be to educate the public about the potential intrusiveness of data surveillance.<p>Politicians and idiot TV hosts have made statements akin to &quot;all they are collecting are phone numbers, times and cell tower data&quot;.<p>Ha! Give me that and access to other sources such as LinkedIn, Facebook, your email on Gmail, your Google docs, IRS and state tax filings, court documents, vehicle registration, travel records, Amazon, Ebay, college and university records and a myriad of other publicly and not-so-publicly available data and those phone numbers become powerful unique identifiers through which I can learn just about everything about you, your family, your friends, colleagues, occupation, hobbies, history and more.<p>There&#x27;s nothing innocent or insignificant about &quot;just collecting phone numbers&quot;.
xtc将近 12 年前
Glossing over the data that you could glean from reddit was a mistake. Even if there isn&#x27;t that much valuable data directly from reddit&#x27;s back-end it&#x27;s probably more useful to tie it to data from the same users extracted from other websites. You shouldn&#x27;t have down-played that.
omd将近 12 年前
I think it&#x27;s time we give up on the idea of communicating privately over a centralized network. Wiretapping was invented only a few years after the invention of the telephone[1]. It won&#x27;t be stopped by technology and certainly not by legislation. People need to get used treating the Internet as a public space: cover your mouth when you cough, don&#x27;t pick your nose in public and don&#x27;t communicate sensitive information over the Internet.<p>The next big thing (hopefully soon) will be communication through a decentralized, infrastructure-less device.<p>[1]<a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Telephone_tapping#History" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Telephone_tapping#History</a>
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eggnet将近 12 年前
Reddit has information that can be used to identify the author of a submission or comment. I was a disappointed to hear the soft stance on protecting reddit user data.
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gonvaled将近 12 年前
This is all nice and good. Unfortunately, it means absolutely nothing. Since we know that lying is (by law) part of what corporations are forced to do when addressing questions of &quot;national security&quot;, no amount of denies, press releases, public outrage or congressional talk will restore trust. Even new legislation specifically forbidding snooping will not help, since we can never be sure that there is no &quot;secret legislation&quot; specifically allowing it - and forcing companies to comply.<p>I am sure lots of people want to genuinely change the situation in the US. Unfortunately, we can not believe it. For all the talk that the reddit co-founder will, as a private person, make, the simple question to reddit-the-company: &quot;are you snooping on me&quot; has no meaning whatsoever. Either the answer will be a &quot;no comment&quot;, or it will always be perceived to be lie.
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CurtMonash将近 12 年前
Good piece. His personal concern is for &quot;chilling effect&quot;.<p>His public concern beyond that is for blackmail of national leaders. That actually worries me less, as the public is becoming much more tolerant of &quot;vice&quot; in its leaders. (For example -- President Obama is an admitted cocaine and pot user; President Bush was an admitted drunkard and widely-suspected cocaine user; President Clinton was a widely-suspected adulterer and pot user.)
makerops将近 12 年前
I think one of the ways this bullshit is solved is liquid democracy. Allow people to transfer votes to people they feel are experts via a bitcoin like system. 90% of people have only an interest in a very small subset of topics that they vote on. They aren&#x27;t qualified to cast a vote, why not allow them to delegate to an expert? Of course buying votes would be highly illegal.
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_b8r0将近 12 年前
I have some ideas and some plans in mind for getting around this. If anyone in particular would be interested in helping to set up or back a privacy-oriented startup aimed at defeating a lot of what&#x27;s been going on, then please get in touch via my profile.
g8oz将近 12 年前
Tangentially ontopic: I remember an offhand comment from someone in the intel community a few years ago that went along the lines of &quot;you can&#x27;t really have privacy unless you run your own DNS servers&quot;. Can they really store all dns lookups?
brador将近 12 年前
The entire conecept of pre-crime is everyone is a suspect, and you can never be proven innocent because you haven&#x27;t yet committed the crime you are alleged to eventually commit.<p>It&#x27;s scary stuff yet surprisingly innevitable given the direction of AI.
rkuester将近 12 年前
Thank you, Alexis. Well done.
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Kiro将近 12 年前
Off-topic but I wish there was a way to filter out all these NSA stories. It has really destroyed Hacker News for me and I hope it doesn&#x27;t go on for too long.
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aaronsnoswell将近 12 年前
Why the hell does CNN&#x27;s video player play on load?
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payomdousti将近 12 年前
Couldn&#x27;t get past the fact that the interviewer probably did 0 prep work for this.
stevetursi将近 12 年前
Hastily-transcribed transcript for those who can&#x27;t watch the video:<p>Q &quot;NSA and PRISM - what&#x27;s the sentiment in the valley?&quot;<p>A &quot;Maybe this is indicative of the fact that I live in New York; that I&#x27;ve never really been part of that herd. We are as citizens I think really upset, really frustrated because we have an expectation that whether it is our private property offline or online, that it will be respected, and that&#x27;s what the Fourth Amendment protects. And needless to say it was rather disappointing to see all this news come out and apparently much more on the way.&quot;<p>Q &quot;You&#x27;re building a startup that could become the next Reddit or Facebook: At what point do you say, &#x27;I think I got to get a Lawyer?&#x27;&quot;<p>A &quot;Yeah it will certainly come up a lot sooner for founders and founders who were maybe thinking, &#x27;move fast and break things&#x27; will now think &#x27;move fast and break things but don&#x27;t break the constitution.&#x27; And this is an opportunity for us as citizens to start to draw a line in the sand for what is off-limits and private in the digital age.&quot;<p>Q &quot;If the government asked you for information, what information could you give them?&quot;<p>A &quot;Well there really isn&#x27;t any. When people use reddit as a platform to publicly share links and publicly have discussions. So the primary use of the site is that is in public so there really isn&#x27;t a ton of useful data there.&quot;<p>Q &quot;What advice do you give these young folks who are building these companies and this is becoming a reality?&quot;<p>A &quot;There&#x27;s my investor hat, my founder hat, and my citizen hat - and that citizen hat trumps everything else. And I want to make sure that the environment we are starting companies in has a government that respects the our right to privacy so that these kinds of discussions going forward aren&#x27;t even a factor or an issue and I think the ability for us to use this technology has sort of outpaced - unfortunately - some of our legislator&#x27;s understanding of what kind of laws they should be writing. Whether it&#x27;s making sure our elected officials understand the internet and understand technology is just as important though as making sure we get more of these people who inherently and innately understand this technology into office. I think the other interesting thing is more and more founders are really rallying behind companies now that are themselves built on a model of respecting privacy. One that I know rather well is called duckdduckgo and it&#x27;s a venture backed by USV here in New York - a search engine competitor to google and their core business proposition is &#x27;we don&#x27;t track anything you search for on our site.&#x27; And so I imagine more startups to kind of take that lead.&quot;
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notdrunkatall将近 12 年前
Kind of surprised this isn&#x27;t on the front page of reddit right now.
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