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Government Denies That NSA Listens To Domestic Calls Without Legal Authorization

51 点作者 codex_irl将近 12 年前

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spikels将近 12 年前
Given all the misleading statements so far when you hear a statement like this:<p>&quot;the statement that a single analyst can eavesdrop on domestic communications without proper legal authorization is incorrect&quot;<p>They are basically meaningless unless you can ask a few follow up questions:<p><pre><code> - What exactly is incorrect in that statement? - Specifically which entities does this denial cover? - Can more than one analyst listen? - How about anyone else (i.e. a non-analyst)? - What exactly does &quot;eavesdrop&quot; include? - How is &quot;domestic&quot; defined? - What are &quot;communications&quot;? - What do you consider &quot;proper legal authorization&quot;? - Are you using any non-standard definitions for the words in your statement? </code></pre> I don&#x27;t think you can give these guys any benefit of a doubt.
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gojomo将近 12 年前
The phrasing &quot;without legal authorization&quot; is the superhighway-sized qualifier which lets anything through, here. Of course they consider everything they do to be &#x27;legally authorized&#x27;, under their own strained interpretations that are hidden from others&#x27; review and challenge, and which include things like provisional authorizations that don&#x27;t require a warrant.<p>We know they consider any calls known to be &#x27;foreign&#x27; already legally authorized. No warrant needed, little reporting, little oversight.<p>Then, anything else that they guess with 51% confidence is foreign, until they discover otherwise, is also authorized: they can start listening, before they have a warrant, and perhaps never needing one. Operating in secrecy, there are a number of ways they could have their fingers on the 51% scales, here: nudging a few extra algorithmic signals into the analysis until they hit the 51% threshold, or pretending not to hear any other indicators of domesticness. (A US citizen might want to answer all calls not with &quot;hello&quot; but instead &quot;I am a US person&quot;, if you want them to stop listening... though from the myriad of reports, it&#x27;s not certain that the enforcement is much stronger than an analyst-self-reported &quot;honor system&quot; and &quot;oops, I&#x27;ll try not to do that again&quot;.)<p>But then also, multiple reports seem to indicate they can <i>start listening</i> to <i>previously-recorded believed US person calls</i> with merely the intent to pursue a FISA warrant within the next 7 days. What if they start that and get more evidence to push the foreignness-confidence over 51%? Perhaps no warrant application is then necessary. What if they use their 6 days and 23 hours of listening and then decide, false lead? Does this &quot;free look at anyone for any reason&quot; have any cost for the analyst? (Was it this sort of temporary-unilateral-overreach that let an analyst access stored intercepts of former President Bill Clinton&#x27;s email in 2009? [1])<p>If the internal controls are as good as they claim, they ought to be able to report exactly how many domestic calls&#x2F;emails were heard&#x2F;viewed, in the sort of &#x27;inadvertent&#x27; and quickly-self-corrected errors many officials have already have described on-the-record.<p>[1] <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.wired.com&#x2F;threatlevel&#x2F;2009&#x2F;06&#x2F;pinwale&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.wired.com&#x2F;threatlevel&#x2F;2009&#x2F;06&#x2F;pinwale&#x2F;</a>
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coldcode将近 12 年前
Of course they don&#x27;t listen to the recordings. They convert them to text and read them on the toilet. Or even better run them through the world&#x27;s most powerful scanning software and extract useful tidbits to be examined later. The government saying they don&#x27;t sit there with an old rotary phone and listen in, like some kind of 30&#x27;s FBI G-man, is rather insulting.
fnordfnordfnord将近 12 年前
I see lots of careful word play in the official gov&#x27;t statements.<p>I put no credibility at all to anything said by Robert Mueller, one because he&#x27;s a technical incompetent; two because of his vested interest and past performance at truth-telling.<p>Crazy semi-relevant speculation: If the call or communication is ever routed outside the US that makes it international even if both parties are within the US. With cooperation from major telecom co&#x27;s, calls or comms could be preferentially routed thusly in order to game what&#x27;s left of the protection scheme.
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skwirl将近 12 年前
I appreciate the editor trying to make it sound sinister by implying that it is a government cover-up, but the very person behind the story to begin with, Rep Jerrold Nadler, claims his words were misconstrued by CNet. In a statement today: &quot;I am pleased that the administration has reiterated that, as I have always believed, the NSA cannot listen to the content of Americans’ phone calls without a specific warrant.&quot;<p>Read more at <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theatlanticwire.com&#x2F;politics&#x2F;2013&#x2F;06&#x2F;jerrold-nadler-does-not-thinks-nsa-can-listen-us-phone-calls&#x2F;66278&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theatlanticwire.com&#x2F;politics&#x2F;2013&#x2F;06&#x2F;jerrold-nadl...</a>
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GigabyteCoin将近 12 年前
That&#x27;s exactly the problem, that the NSA has legal authorization to do this.<p>Jon Oliver had a perfect rebuttal to this statement the other night on &quot;The Daily Show&quot; which I will recite below:<p>&quot;Mr. President, no one is saying you broke any laws. We&#x27;re just saying it&#x27;s a little bit weird you didn&#x27;t have to.&quot; -Jon Oliver
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bmmayer1将近 12 年前
&quot;The government was not made the exclusive or final judge of the extent of the powers delegated to itself.&quot; -Jefferson