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Brazil protests spread in Sao Paulo, Brasilia and Rio

145 点作者 flaviojuvenal将近 12 年前

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cesarbs将近 12 年前
Brazilian citizen here, but living in the US. I never thought I&#x27;d say this, but I really wish I was back there to take part in the protests. Brazil finally has a chance to change for the better.<p>For those of you who don&#x27;t know what&#x27;s going on, or who are being fed incorrect information by the media: protests started because of a small increase in bus fares, but that was just the trigger to the whole thing. Brazilians are fed up with all the crap the government has been doing for decades, unscrupulously stealing tax payers&#x27; money for their own benefit. Many will say this happens everywhere, even in the most developed countries, but people from developed countries usually have no idea and can barely picture how rampant corruption is in Brazil.<p>Brazil is not a poor country. It&#x27;s one of the biggest economies in the world. But if you go down there, it will pretty much look like a poor country. Despite the strong economy and the ridiculously high taxes, there is very little income redistribution. Besides the income inequality, another thing that piss Brazilians off is the fact that everything has to be paid in double: you pay taxes for public education (even the university is free), but it&#x27;s so shitty you have to pay for a private school for your kids; you pay taxes for the universal health care system, but it&#x27;s so shitty (dozens of people die on the line for life-critical procedures) you have to pay for private health care (which is usually shitty too, but not nearly as shitty as the public one); you supposedly pay taxes for public safety, but it&#x27;s nonexistent to a point people have to leave behind gates (I had to go through 2 gates and 2 doors, with 5 keys in total, to enter my aparment there) and bared windows and pay for private security companies to secure their homes.<p>Brazilians have had enough. The current generation of youths is much more connected and aware of the country&#x27;s problems, and usually have a much better idea that the situation outside (read US, Canada, Europe and Australia, popular destinations for studying or working abroad) is better and that a better life is possible, and it won&#x27;t take it anymore. It&#x27;s finally time for a change.
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joaomsa将近 12 年前
The police aggression is getting ridiculous.<p>My university is right next to a soccer stadium holding a Confederation&#x27;s Cup game. Since the effect of these and other upcoming sporting events on public works is a major cause of vindication, a large group of protesters tried to move near the stadium and ended up clashing with riot troops. I was at one of entrances into campus, when police started throwing tear gas and shooting rubber bullets almost indiscriminately while yelling that anybody who stayed was going to get beaten.
hcarvalhoalves将近 12 年前
I just hope the mass doesn&#x27;t get manipulated into doing anything stupid, because the attempts already started.<p>Left-wing sympathizers (including the original movement) are already manipulating the protests. A portion of the people in the protests diverged and tried to break into the state hall (where the governor sleeps). Why, if the bus fares are controlled by the city mayor? They should be protesting on the city hall, but they won&#x27;t, for obvious political implications since the mayor is left-wing.<p>Right-wing are also joining the protests now in an attempt to overthrow. The anti-corruption sentiment of the general population can be fuel to an impeachment of left-wings in power in the following days.<p>The media at large is also reporting the happenings in a positive light only. We all know this can&#x27;t be good, a functional media is one that shows two sides of the story, but it seems most media outlets are too scared to disagree.<p>Finally, the moral judgment already started on the social networks. Anyone who doesn&#x27;t join the protests gets alienated. Since social networks amplify positive feedback only, things are turning into an echo chamber.<p>Different than other brazilians, I&#x27;m not 100% happy the &quot;people are waking up&quot;, I&#x27;m actually scared because it&#x27;s just a bunch of fed up people hitting the streets without a clear objective.<p>This has the potential to be really good if the people put political parties aside and keep putting pressure on important matters in the following days; but can also be catastrophically bad if radical leaderships pop up from this.
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tellarin将近 12 年前
Another point of view on the protests: <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;abrazilianoperatinginthisarea.wordpress.com&#x2F;2013&#x2F;06&#x2F;16&#x2F;brazilian-protests-explained-its-not-the-economy-stupid&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;abrazilianoperatinginthisarea.wordpress.com&#x2F;2013&#x2F;06&#x2F;1...</a><p>This started because of a raise in bus fares, but the fact that more and more people are protesting has a lot to do with police brutality in repressing the first protests.<p>Most people in Brazil don&#x27;t usually protest (nor actually fill complains when wronged), due to a variety of reasons.<p>But whenever there is a protest it is quickly classified into either: a) &quot;just vandalism&quot;, or b) &quot;peaceful protests&quot;.<p>For what the media&#x2F;elite calls as &#x27;a)&#x27;, the typical Brazilian attitude is quite weird. Most people in Brazil have this very fascist view that police should be brutal with &quot;criminals&quot;. Whoever they might be. As long as not themselves.<p>However, for the rarer cases where &#x27;b)&#x27; happens (and is viewed as such by most people), which was the case here, it might be different. In the current case, police brutality backfired and became one of the main reasons for the escalation of protests and its spread to other cities.<p>PS: I&#x27;m a Brazilian citizen.
kinow将近 12 年前
The protesters passed by my street on the way to Paulista Avenue, and I have to admit that seeing all those people walking singing the national anthem was simply amazing. Something to tell my grandsons :)<p>Last number I heard on the TV reported 75K people in Sao Paulo, though the authorities told the media that would announce the updated numbers only after the protests.<p>The movement leaders have already created a new event on FaceBook, calling all protesters to gather together again tomorrow, at 5PM on Se Square.
InclinedPlane将近 12 年前
In Brazil especially it&#x27;s far more important for these protests to materialize into organized political action and public debates. Overthrowing the government of Brazil would be unhelpful, Brazil has something approaching a functional democracy (certainly comparable to democracy in America during many parts of its history). That should not be thrown away. And with concerted political action it can be strengthened rather than weakened, as can liberty. I fear the temptation of the powerless to exercise power, even in the form of a violent mob, could outweigh the desire to fight for the deep, long-term changes that will actually see the country improve.
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elleferrer将近 12 年前
This is an excellent brief overview of the problems in Brazil:<p>- No, I&#x27;m not going to the World Cup by @CarlaDauden<p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=ZApBgNQgKPU" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=ZApBgNQgKPU</a>
dasil003将近 12 年前
One funny detail about the article I couldn&#x27;t help noticing: the article talks about &quot;scaling the roof&quot; of the National Congress building conjuring up an image of the people swarming over and laying siege to some kind of national fortress. But of course the National Congress rooftop[1] is one of the most accessible rooftops in the world being at road-level and visited by thousands of tourists on a regular basis.<p>1. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;commons.wikimedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;File:Brasilia_National_Congress.JPG" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;commons.wikimedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;File:Brasilia_National_Co...</a>
rcruzeiro将近 12 年前
I am really proud to see this here. I was there and I can say that it was the largest demonstration since the military dictatorship era more than 20 year ago.
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daniloassis将近 12 年前
I&#x27;m Brazilian and Carioca... I was at Rio&#x27;s protest yesterday and it was BEAUTIFUL.<p>I&#x27;m against all kind of violence and vandalism, unfortunatelly we had a few people that caused a LOT of damage to the city in the very end, but almost every story you hear about manifestations and protests ends the same way everywhere in the world... so I leave for each one what you feel about this.<p>We are just sick of swallowing all the sh*t and public abuses that Government throw at us and we just complain in silence, this time people went to the streets and showed that if we manage to organize ourselves and keep pushing (peacefully, of course), we might achieve something meaningful... like, for instance, RESPECT.<p>Send love and support to us, we are needing. :)
Iuz将近 12 年前
it had to start somewhere<p>it had to start sometime
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foobarbazqux将近 12 年前
What does this have to do with Hacker News? From the guidelines:<p>&gt; Off-Topic: Most stories about politics, or crime, or sports, unless they&#x27;re evidence of some interesting new phenomenon. Videos of pratfalls or disasters, or cute animal pictures. If they&#x27;d cover it on TV news, it&#x27;s probably off-topic.
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