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Live: Head of NSA meets with House Intelligence Committee

138 点作者 teawithcarl将近 12 年前

26 条评论

marknutter将近 12 年前
Arguing that these programs are effective by revealing a few foiled terrorist plots is entirely beside the point. Obviously monitoring every communication on the planet would help the government track down a few terrorist plots here and there. If they really want the debate to focus on the effectiveness of these programs then they should explain why they failed so spectacularly to prevent the Boston Marathon bombings, a plot carried out by two of the most careless and naive terrorists to date. Heck, even a direct warning from Russian officials fell on deaf ears. Perhaps the NSA was too busy listening to innocent people&#x27;s phone calls to respond?<p>The effectiveness isn&#x27;t what&#x27;s at issue here, though. The problem is the loss of privacy for innocent civilians, to which Obama and other government officials respond to with wishy-washy arguments about &quot;tradeoffs&quot; between security and privacy.
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mtgx将近 12 年前
Is it me or are most (all?) of these hearings against companies or agencies in this case - a joke? I&#x27;ve watched some of them lately, and the Congressmen always seem to be butt-kissing the company or agency they are supposed to investigate.<p>These past 2 hearings don&#x27;t seem to intend to shed any light on this. They seem to be held to help protect whatever NSA is doing.
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cryptoz将近 12 年前
Deputy Attorney General: &quot;We don&#x27;t get any content...under this program.&quot; The use of language across all parties here is really incredible. The Google&#x2F;Apple&#x2F;etc denials so carefully worded, the lawyer-speak that avoid saying anything at all for hours at a time in the US gov&#x27;t...it&#x27;s amazingly Orwellian.<p>Edit: Did he just say that the fourth amendment does not apply because nobody expected privacy in the first place? I can&#x27;t possibly have heard that right.
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ihsw将近 12 年前
Hopefully this will shift the conversation from &quot;listening to phone calls&quot; and &quot;collecting internet records (eg: emails, browsing history)&quot; to &quot;storing phone calls&quot; and &quot;storing internet records (eg: emails, browsing history)&quot;.<p>At this point it&#x27;s become abundantly clear that <i>everything</i> is stored and indexed in a database, and the only defense against abuse of this database is <i>only</i> policies.<p>One of the worst cases to come out of this entire ordeal is the legal dance around the definition of &quot;listen&quot; and whether it refers to automatically capturing phone calls or an individual listening to a recording of a phone call after it&#x27;s been captured.
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tghw将近 12 年前
&quot;But if we do acquire any information that relates to a US person, under limited criteria only, can we keep it. If it has to do with foreign intelligence in that conversation or understanding foreign intelligence, or <i>evidence of a crime</i> or a threat of serious bodily injury, we can respond to that. Other than that, we <i>have to get rid of it</i>, we have to purge it, and we can&#x27;t use it.&quot; (emphasis mine)<p>This seems very close to an admission that they both have and analyze the data before purging it. Combined with the idea that most people commit three felonies a day and pretty quickly all of these assertions about not spying on US citizens or people in the US goes out the window.
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MisterWebz将近 12 年前
&quot;Does the NSA listen to the content of phone calls?&quot;<p>General Alexander: &quot;No we do not have that authority.&quot;<p>I think it&#x27;s pretty clear by now that they&#x27;re collecting phone call content.<p>Here&#x27;s another and I&#x27;m paraphrasing:<p>&quot;Is there something else being collected?&quot;<p>&quot;Besides the 215(?) and 702(?)? I&#x27;m not sure as I don&#x27;t know whether that info has been declassified.&quot;
motters将近 12 年前
As a person &quot;outside the united states and not a US person&quot; this doesn&#x27;t fill be with confidence about using US based internet services. It also doesn&#x27;t give me much confidence about communicating with &quot;US persons&quot;.
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famousactress将近 12 年前
I had to jump around, but this link is where I&#x27;m watching live: <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.c-span.org&#x2F;Live-Video&#x2F;C-SPAN3&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.c-span.org&#x2F;Live-Video&#x2F;C-SPAN3&#x2F;</a>
ck2将近 12 年前
The clowns questioning him keep saying &quot;UNDER THIS PROGRAM&quot;.<p>Yeah well the ones we know. Now we need to know the others.
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pezh0re将近 12 年前
&quot;The documents that have been released so far ironically show the oversight&quot; ...<p>I like what John Oliver said on the Daily Show - “We’re not saying anyone broke any laws, we’re just saying it’s a little bit weird that you didn’t have to.”
_k将近 12 年前
It&#x27;s PR. They say there&#x27;s court involvement but it&#x27;s a rubber stamp and then they access all data they got on you. They do say there has to be reasonable suspicion but we all know how that goes.<p>One guy says people don&#x27;t have an expectation of privacy because they are used to giving their data to the phone companies.<p>I think I heard enough. And Europe and China, yes, all communications of your citizens are being recorded, and yes it&#x27;s a privacy violation.<p>I&#x27;ve heard enough.
benburleson将近 12 年前
What a political circle-jerk. The questioning plays out like a rehearsed commercial.
dlss将近 12 年前
at 1:02:30<p>&quot;Does the technology exist at the NSA to record american&#x27;s phone calls, or read their emails?&quot;<p>&quot;No&quot;<p>There&#x27;s something weird going on -- this seems too far off from Snowden&#x27;s reports to be true. Like, p(Snowden leak | no technology like that) is just too small relative to p(Snowden leak)
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lettergram将近 12 年前
hmmm the argument that it is not reasonable that what I view on the internet is private is disturbing. I do have a reasonable expectation of it being private.<p>This is referring to the Attorney Generals statement that we do not have a reasonable expectation for our meta data not to be public.
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wheelerwj将近 12 年前
Listening to this is absurd. Any intelligent human being can see that this open meeting is nothing more than a PR piece. So far I have heard three congressmen testify that this is legal and nothing illegal is happening. They are preloading the conversation and giving people the opportunity to tune out before General Alexander can even speak.
jdp23将近 12 年前
Get FISA Right has a Twitter list with live tweets from several accounts following the hearing -- EFFLive, Julian Sanchez, Marcy Wheeler, Michelle Richardson of the ACLU, etc.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;GetFISARight&#x2F;nsa" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;GetFISARight&#x2F;nsa</a>
pezh0re将近 12 年前
Suggesting that there are several plots that have been thwarted - and that somehow justifies the program seems too &quot;ends justify the means&quot;.<p>(probably because that&#x27;s exactly what they&#x27;re arguing)
ck2将近 12 年前
He&#x27;s going to announce two terror plots stopped by this.<p>Should be interesting.
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hoytie将近 12 年前
A hearing like this reinforces secrecy and benefits only the people in that room. They are given a platform to legitimize their activities and deny the existence of anything that may violate the constitution or upset Americans.<p>&quot;Hey guys, we&#x27;re here to tell you all about anything except what you actually want to know about&quot; = the game of secrecy vs the public
LoganCale将近 12 年前
&gt; Confirmed: NSA Analyst doesn&#x27;t need a separate court order to query database. Analysts can decide what is &quot;reasonably suspicious.&quot;<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;efflive&#x2F;status&#x2F;347019679073710082" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;efflive&#x2F;status&#x2F;347019679073710082</a>
choult将近 12 年前
I would personally like to know if there&#x27;s a blacklist for any such program which prevents electronic systems from surveilling anyone on it. I can imagine that a senator knowing their details have been&#x2F;can be accessed without due cause would be a real PITA for the NSA.
davenull将近 12 年前
That was the largest gathering of nervous looking politicians and military brass I have ever witnessed. I don&#x27;t think a lot of them were comfortable talking about information that became declassified immediately before they were to discuss them with the public.
seansoutpost将近 12 年前
If you are not actually watching, the narrative of this talk is entirely defensive of the work going on by the NSA. They are flat out denying the information leaked my Mr. Snowden.<p>Also, Rep. Dutch Ruppersberg just said the words &quot;True Facts&quot;
fnordfnordfnord将近 12 年前
Good grief Mike Rogers is a windbag. His opening statement to the hearing is a pretty good indication to me that he&#x2F;they intend to investigate nothing, but rather to distract and deceive the public wrt to their activities.
marmot1101将近 12 年前
If the FISA court was transparent in any way having them issue warrants and provide oversight might be valuable. But it is not, thus that court is meaningless.
_k将近 12 年前
Let&#x27;s take any country, other than the US, e.g. Switzerland, Luxembourg, ... why isn&#x27;t Al-Qaeda flying into the buildings of those countries ?