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What is Happening in Brazil

141 点作者 paulovsk将近 12 年前

13 条评论

mtgx将近 12 年前
Politicians tend to become worse and worse thinking and seeing from experience that they can &quot;get away with it&quot;. But in reality all this time, the population gets more and more frustrated, and it&#x27;s only a matter of time before the population revolts.<p>So far the Brazilian politicians have been <i>lucky</i> that all these 1 million people haven&#x27;t become <i>violent</i> and ask for their blood. Because to be honest, I think at least some of the corrupt leaders need to be punished <i>severely</i>, possibly even with the death penalty (like Ceausescu was in Romania).<p>It&#x27;s really the only way they&#x27;ll learn their lesson, and more importantly, future generations of politicians will know now to upset the population to the point where they&#x27;ll revolt and ask for their execution. I&#x27;m not usually pro-death penalty, but if there&#x27;s anyone deserving it, it&#x27;s the oppressive&#x2F;corrupt leaders that make millions of people suffer through their ruling.<p>I definitely think the leaders <i>intentionally</i> abusing their own Constitution deserve the death penalty, because if they don&#x27;t get that, then it&#x27;s just an invitation for future leaders to abuse it. They swore to protect it and obey it, and there needs to be a way to force them to do just that. Otherwise what&#x27;s the point? Imagine how different things would be in US, if politicians would fear death penalty if they abuse the Constitution, and keep passing unconstitutional laws.<p>I feel almost the same way about bankers who get away with their crimes. How are they supposed to learn their lesson if they aren&#x27;t even threatened by prison time, even though they lost the pensions and deposits of millions of people? If they think they have the potential to earn tens of billions of hundreds of billions from risking the money of those people, they&#x27;ll be much more inclined to do it if they only risk a couple of billion in penalty, and that&#x27;s it.<p>The population is supposed to rectify these sort of abuses by the elite in a society. It&#x27;s up to the population to ultimately decide how much of a punishment these people get, and if their &quot;representatives&quot; aren&#x27;t up for it, then they need to change them, or at least scare them into applying their will.
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_delirium将近 12 年前
A somewhat different analysis of the current situation, reaching quite different conclusions:<p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;frombrazil.blogfolha.uol.com.br&#x2F;2013&#x2F;06&#x2F;21&#x2F;sao-paulo-protests-things-have-changed&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;frombrazil.blogfolha.uol.com.br&#x2F;2013&#x2F;06&#x2F;21&#x2F;sao-paulo-...</a><p>I hadn&#x27;t seen until I read that that the original organizers of the protest, the MPL, have actually pulled out and denounced some of the current protestors due to them being coopted by right-wing groups.<p>The blog post linked here makes a curious comment about &quot;corruption... especially after the fall of the military regime&quot;. I&#x27;m not 100% sure if this is intended as a dog-whistle comment to the right, but it&#x27;s a common sort of discourse among the right-wing, to excuse the dictatorship or even call for a new one by using corruption as the opening, since allegedly the dictatorship, for all its faults, was clean and got the trains running on time etc.
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Uperte将近 12 年前
Quote from prosecutor&#x27;s FB according to this blog post: “I’m trying to get home for the past two hours, but I can’t because there’s some protesters blocking off traffic […] please, somebody tell the police that this area is under the jurisdiction of my court and, if any of them kill a protester, I’ll just archive the case”. Scary!
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throwaway395748将近 12 年前
This has been a very depressing week. Regardless of the many fair causes being taken by the protesters to the street, as a Brazilian living in São Paulo, I was worried since the beginning that the whole thing would turn into the mess we can see now. And while I sympathize what many of these causes, the lack of a proper, unified list of demands makes the whole thing completely worthless in the best case, and quite dangerous in the worst.<p>On the bright side, it was funny the watch the national and foreign media trying to understand what was going on. And then my own friends and coworkers who supported the whole thing trying to explain what they thought it was about (each one with a different explanation).
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sambeau将近 12 年前
I was reading the <i>European Convention on Human Rights</i> recently and I was surprised to see that Article 2 explicitly allows for states to kill people to quell rioting or insurrection:<p><pre><code> Article 2 – Right to life : 2. Deprivation of life shall not be regarded as inflicted in contravention of this article when it results from the use of force which is no more than absolutely necessary: : c. in action lawfully taken for the purpose of quelling a riot or insurrection. </code></pre> <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Article_2_of_the_European_Convention_on_Human_Rights" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Article_2_of_the_European_Conve...</a>
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jonmc12将近 12 年前
This article left me thinking about how big of a mess the 2014 world cup could be - a whirlwind of political protest, drunken fans and violence. Brazilian leadership really has their work cut out of them. However, in China, where oppression and corruption also exist, the 2008 Olympics was an event of unifying nationalism.<p>Then, as the article portrays, Arab countries can oust their leaders, but Brazilians choose to re-elect corrupt politicians.<p>Why does it seem like communist countries can inspire nationalism and pride, and the people of dictatorships can change leadership. Yet, Brazil, as a democratic country, is depicted as imagining disgrace (in world cup &#x2F; Olympics) and unable to instigate political change?
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superflit将近 12 年前
The Left started the protests to attack the gov. of Sao Paulo one of largest city in Brazil that is in the hands of &#x27;right&#x27; wing. After the middle class joined the protest things changed because the middle class only see political &#x27;right&#x27; or &#x27;left&#x27; as:<p>which hand is stealing? If it is &#x27;center&#x27; is both...<p>As the protest backfired agains the left and the president (left too) they are trying to get over the protest..<p>But it is a long way to put all sardines back in the can.
tomjen3将近 12 年前
Regardless of who started it, attacking peaceful demonstrators and journalists with that much tear gas is just wrong. When you add that those they attacked where chanting no violence and where running away, the police should have done nothing at all.
gcb0将近 12 年前
Stop this nonsense. Don&#x27;t give voice to those people. Just the 1st paragraph shows he has no clue of what&#x27;s happening.<p>Nobody protested because of 20cents. Those were yearly protests by movement free pass (passe livre). Their goal is free public transportation and they do demonstrations for at least 10yrs.<p>It&#x27;s just for effect that they time the demonstrations to the fare raises.<p>And now, the media giving voice to that kind of people is what made the govt get away with 20c less on the fare for this issue. It totally undermined the movement and alienated newcomers.<p>Those people eager to appear in the media effectively destroyed the leadership and turned the protest into a headless occupy wallstreet kind of thing.<p>Yesterday there were talks of the military taking opportunity and throwing A COUPE... Highly improbable but since now nobody has any direction, even within the gov, it was a real fear for some in the workers party that heads govmnt currently.
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noone1234456将近 12 年前
Just my 2 cents, but saying &quot;paying one of the biggest taxes in the world&quot; is <i>really</i> exaggerated
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albertobrandao将近 12 年前
Great article. Congrats, bro.
joseflavio将近 12 年前
Sorry, but I call bs on this blog: &quot;Feel Free To Kill Protesters&quot;, who said this? The author doesn&#x27;t point any reference to confirm this quote, and I could not find it nowhere else.
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fiatjaf将近 12 年前
I&#x27;m brazilian and this article is a lie. nobody has heard about anybody saying this, and the visions the author of the article atributes to all the manifesters are just his visions.<p>also, the author is an idiot.
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