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AWS: We’ll go to court to fight government requests for data

81 点作者 breadtk将近 12 年前

12 条评论

justinsb将近 12 年前
&quot;If Amazon faced a subpoena that required it to keep the order secret, such encryption would be useful to customers. “If the data is encrypted, all we’d be handing over would be the cypher text,” he said.&quot;<p>That strikes me as a little misleading. I&#x27;m sure the subpoena would request a snapshot of all running VMs&#x27;s memory &amp; CPU state, from which (I believe) it&#x27;s relatively easy to extract encryption keys. If the first subpoena didn&#x27;t, the second one sure would!
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cryptolect将近 12 年前
The impression I get, as a consumer, is that I can no longer trust official statements from the likes of Google, Amazon, etc since they could have been legally gagged from telling the truth. I&#x27;ve lost confidence in US tech companies, because they could be forced to act without being allowed to disclose it or reasonably fight it.<p>To date I still don&#x27;t believe what Google&#x2F;Amazon are saying. It all feels like weasel words. Like when Obama stated that the NSA &quot;cannot&quot; listen to your calls. He meant that they cannot by law, rather than cannot because they dont have access. The way he phrased it though meant that 80% of people listening would&#x27;ve thought it was the latter definition.<p>And to have the National Intelligence guy on record lie to Congress? Who is controlling whom here? It really does feel like the US government has lost control of its intelligence services.<p>Now don&#x27;t mind me, I&#x27;m busy trying to find somewhere on the map I can relocate my services to.
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girvo将近 12 年前
<p><pre><code> &gt; “If a U.S. entity is serving us with a legally binding &gt; subpoena, we contact our customer and work with that &gt; customer to fight the subpoena. We will do that proactively &gt; and help the customer in any way to comply with the &gt; subpoena or fight it.” </code></pre> How does that work, with gag-ordered FISA requests?
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cperciva将近 12 年前
One interesting tidbit from the AWS re:invent conference in November: According to Stephen Schmidt, Amazon does regular &quot;drills&quot; where they pretend that a warrant has been received for a user&#x27;s data, and they need to identify and isolate and copy all of it.<p>This tells me two things: First, that Amazon gets these requests often enough to have a well-tested procedure for handling them; and second, that it&#x27;s still very much a manual process -- and that government agencies can&#x27;t just reach in and grab data on their own.
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logn将近 12 年前
FYI, for virtual machines, I&#x27;ve been thoroughly impressed with this service:<p><a href="http://www.exoscale.ch/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.exoscale.ch&#x2F;</a><p>They&#x27;re in Switzerland and seem committed to maintaining your data&#x2F;security (and they have the full force&#x2F;support of Swiss law).<p>Their UI is super usable. It&#x27;s a true pleasure to use. You can choose from several posix distros and a Windows one. There&#x27;s decent selection for different sizing. But they&#x27;re in beta now, so there&#x27;s not a full lineup of features. The pricing is very good. And the support is awesome. I&#x27;ve raised a couple of tickets and they were responded to in a couple of hours.
workhere-io将近 12 年前
If it&#x27;s true that the US authorities can order a company to implement access for the NSA and lie to its customers about the fact, I don&#x27;t see how you can trust any US company with data that need to be secure.<p>Also, AWS recently signed a huge deal with the CIA (<a href="http://www.businessinsider.com/cia-600-million-deal-for-amazons-cloud-2013-3" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.businessinsider.com&#x2F;cia-600-million-deal-for-amaz...</a>). I doubt that a company that works so closely with US government agencies is jumping through hoops to protect its customers from government snooping.
hornytoad将近 12 年前
AWS will just lock you (or wikileaks) out on gov&#x27;t request, although they&#x27;ll claim that to be &quot;inaccurate&quot;: <a href="http://aws.amazon.com/message/65348/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;aws.amazon.com&#x2F;message&#x2F;65348&#x2F;</a>
danso将近 12 年前
FWIW, Google has been doing this for some time, well before the current controversy. A few months ago, it was reported that Google was challenging the courts on the highly secret national security letters, which mandated that recipients not disclose their existence and which were issued without needing court approval:<p><a href="http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2013/04/google-fights-nsl/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.wired.com&#x2F;threatlevel&#x2F;2013&#x2F;04&#x2F;google-fights-nsl&#x2F;</a><p>NSL&#x27;s are a serious issue and as much a threat to our liberty as what was disclosed by Snowden&#x27;s leak. The outrage sparked by Snowden&#x27;s effort is hopefully something that leads to good reform and protection of our liberties, but the fodder for outrage has existed for a long time now.
nacho2sweet将近 12 年前
I don&#x27;t understand the whole fight subpoenas and contact the customers thing. Isn&#x27;t a big part of the PRISM system them NOT having direct access and just trying to collect all the data from certain systems and rebuilding it, or pulling stuff from it? Like basically just tapping the line?
hownottowrite将近 12 年前
Yes, I&#x27;m sure they&#x27;ll be happy to endanger a $600M cloud contract to protect the data. <a href="http://qz.com/95994/amazon-is-staffing-up-for-its-600-million-cloud-for-spooks/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;qz.com&#x2F;95994&#x2F;amazon-is-staffing-up-for-its-600-millio...</a>
thejosh将近 12 年前
Is it just me or is Amazon talking in &quot;from now on&quot; (future tense) instead of past tense?
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orokusaki将近 12 年前
Ha, this coming from the same company that is helping the CIA build a 600 million dollar data center for spying...