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"Nothing like this will be built again"

452 点作者 ajdecon将近 12 年前

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arethuza将近 12 年前
Worth noting that the visitor centre for Torness recently re-opened, it looks like you need to make an appointment in advance (for security checks) but, having had a detailed tour of another AGR plant years ago, I suspect it may be worth visiting:<p><a href="http://www.edfenergy.com/about-us/energy-generation/nuclear-generation/nuclear-visitor-centres.shtml" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.edfenergy.com&#x2F;about-us&#x2F;energy-generation&#x2F;nuclear-...</a><p>Also, if you do visit Torness and you have an interest in science (which seems likely) then you might want to visit the nearby Hutton&#x27;s Unconformity at Siccar Point - this is one of the places where 18th century geologist James Hutton first found evidence of the tremendous age of the Earth, as his travelling companion John Playfair put it:<p>&quot;The mind seemed to grow giddy by looking so far back into the abyss of time&quot;<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hutton%27s_Unconformity" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Hutton%27s_Unconformity</a><p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siccar_Point" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Siccar_Point</a>
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jmduke将近 12 年前
Mirror: <a href="http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:S384WfJfgYgJ:www.antipope.org/charlie/blog-static/rants/nothing-like-this-will-be-buil.html&amp;hl=en&amp;gl=us&amp;strip=1" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;webcache.googleusercontent.com&#x2F;search?q=cache:S384WfJ...</a><p>Previous discussion: <a href="https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2140900" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=2140900</a>
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_delirium将近 12 年前
One often gets the &quot;nothing like this will be built again&quot; feeling around these kinds of engineering projects from the 20th century, since modern constructions tend to have a very different feel, more sleek and less massive. Also true with things like transit infrastructure: even though a modern subway or elevated train line, like the Copenhagen metro (which has both), is better in just about every way from the old style of construction, it subjectively doesn&#x27;t have the same impressive feel of something like the NYC subway or Chicago El, with their massive steel columns and hundreds of thousands of rivets.
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gaius将近 12 年前
Nothing like it will be built again because a) successive British governments over the last 30 years have buried their heads in the sand over energy policy[1] and b) we as a country don&#x27;t do actual engineering anymore. Both a and b mean that our energy future likes wholly in the hands of France!<p>[1] Say what you like about Thatcher, at least she had a halfway coherent energy story.
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scrumper将近 12 年前
My father and I went on an equally in-depth guided tour of Hinkley Point station back in the mid &#x27;80s when I was a boy. We too got to walk on the reactor lid, view the cooling ponds, and meander underneath miles of thrumming piping. It was utterly fascinating and one of the very best memories I have of my childhood. Hinkley Point is a PWR rather than an AGR, but what the author writes about that collision of space age technology and Victorian plumbing definitely rings true.<p>Other highlights for me not mentioned in this article: a great video showing a high speed diesel train (not just the locomotive) crashing into a waste transport container; climbing around a whole fleet of tiny decontamination trucks with radiological protection gear for the drivers and manipulator arms for picking up material; and getting hands-on with the security system (not part of the tour; my dad made a friend) and broadcasting over the plant tannoy. No chance of any of that stuff happening for my kids, sadly.<p>I was happy to read this even if it is a repeat. A great write up that took me back.
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joezydeco将近 12 年前
<i>&quot;For starters, some embedded controllers in racks in the auxilliary deisel generator control rooms have EPROMs which have been known to be erased by camera flashes in the past, triggering a generator trip&quot;</i><p>Wow, I don&#x27;t know where to begin with this one. Either the engineers have completely lost all knowledge about how their controllers operate, or nobody has the right mind to think about putting opaque labels on the EPROM chips or over the controller board itself?<p>This kind of stuff borders on urban legend &#x2F; cargo cult engineering territory.
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gwern将近 12 年前
An interesting counterpoint, in being submitted on the same day as <a href="http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2013/07/03/1300018110" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.pnas.org&#x2F;content&#x2F;early&#x2F;2013&#x2F;07&#x2F;03&#x2F;1300018110</a> &quot;Evidence on the impact of sustained exposure to air pollution on life expectancy from China’s Huai River policy&quot; starts getting publicity:<p>&gt; This paper&#x27;s findings suggest that an arbitrary Chinese policy that greatly increases total suspended particulates (TSPs) air pollution is causing the 500 million residents of Northern China to lose more than 2.5 billion life years of life expectancy. The quasi-experimental empirical approach is based on China’s Huai River policy, which provided free winter heating via the provision of coal for boilers in cities north of the Huai River but denied heat to the south. Using a regression discontinuity design based on distance from the Huai River, we find that ambient concentrations of TSPs are about 184 μg&#x2F;m3 [95% confidence interval (CI): 61, 307] or 55% higher in the north. Further, the results indicate that life expectancies are about 5.5 y (95% CI: 0.8, 10.2) lower in the north...
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digitalengineer将近 12 年前
Don&#x27;t be so sure... In cinema&#x27;s this year: Pandora&#x27;s Promise: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fm8SVLOacQ" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=7fm8SVLOacQ</a>
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micro_cam将近 12 年前
Last year I went on a tour [1] of the 1944 &quot;B reactor&quot; at Hanford (the first large scale reactor [2]) They don&#x27;t allow you to crawl around on stuff but you can see a surprising amount and they have people who worked on it giving talks. Pretty cool and worth doing.<p>To me one of the coolest things was the complexity of the (pre computerization) monitoring&#x2F;control room and systems.<p>[1]<a href="http://manhattanprojectbreactor.hanford.gov/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;manhattanprojectbreactor.hanford.gov&#x2F;</a> [2]<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B_Reactor" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;B_Reactor</a>
gambiting将近 12 年前
Fantastic. I live within an hour drive to the plant so I just sent them an email asking if there are any tours scheduled in coming weeks. Would love to visit myself.
RyanZAG将近 12 年前
Looks like whoever posted this got around the repost limit by appending a &#x27;?&#x27; to the end of the url. Someone should fix that.
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WalterBright将近 12 年前
Heck, half the things in my house will never be built again. Like my Minox camera from the 1950&#x27;s. It&#x27;s beautifully machined, marvelously engineered, and utterly obsolete. And, back when I could still get film for it, the pictures were crappy even by disposable camera standards.
jfb将近 12 年前
&quot;Anti-rabbit defenses&quot;?
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afterburner将近 12 年前
Didn&#x27;t realize nuclear reactors were that <i>inefficient</i>. But I get most of my power from hydro, so that&#x27;s perhaps an unfair comparison.
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solox3将近 12 年前
&gt; smelling the thing (mostly machine oil and steam, and a hint of ozone near the transformers)<p>Possibly just metal oxides or dimethylsulphide, as ozone is odourless.
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quattrofan将近 12 年前
Can someone explain this? &quot;generators spin in a sealed atmosphere of hydrogen gas&quot;, hydrogen, really?
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