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Why I Turned Down A $20,000/Year Client

82 点作者 Jacquesvh将近 12 年前

18 条评论

petercooper将近 12 年前
I worked away as a (very) low earning freelancer for several years after the dot com bust so I&#x27;m only knowledgable in hindsight, but.. <i>She complained about my fee – constantly</i> is the #1 indicator that a client will ultimately be a huge pain in the ass you shouldn&#x27;t have taken on, in my experience.<p>For a client to &quot;negotiate&quot; early on or from contract to contract is wise and can form the basis of a healthy client&#x2F;vendor relationship, but <i>complaints</i> are indicative of someone who&#x27;s happy to see and treat you like a cog in their machine.
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mark_l_watson将近 12 年前
Article made a good point: $20K per year is a good client, but a low paying job. I have thankfully just had a few customers who expected me to always be available, and to turn things around on very short notice, all the time.<p>The issue is fairness to all customers and except for emergencies allocate large blocks of time, in advance, to each customer and don&#x27;t interrupt thinking time for one customer by talking to another. In other words, if you are like me and like to work in intense 1 to 2 hour sprints without interruptions, customers who hire me should understand that it might take a few hours to get back to them for non-emergencies.<p>One sign of a good customer: when they know they are going to have a crunch and ask if they can pay extra for getting &quot;always on&quot; service for a while.
lmm将近 12 年前
&gt; I very rarely miss a family dinner, and I almost never work on the weekends. These are the perks of working for one’s self.<p>You don&#x27;t have to work for yourself to do that; indeed I&#x27;d think it&#x27;s a bigger risk when freelancing.<p>I have a conventional job; my boss and I both know what my hours are (they&#x27;re written in my contract). I&#x27;d never miss an arranged dinner or work a weekend; I&#x27;d be amazed and somewhat insulted to even be asked. Is this really something normal over in the US?
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jiggy2011将近 12 年前
I don&#x27;t see it as a big problem to change plans somewhat at the start of a project, this is certainly better than doing it half way through. As long as it&#x27;s not a strategy to get a contractor to do extra work for free.<p>If you are charging a higher rate, part of the value associated with that is a certain degree of flexibility.<p>Also don&#x27;t see the problem with the client wanting a cell number, if you don&#x27;t want calls on your personal phone just get a cheap second phone + SIM for business. Make it clear which hours you will be available, put the phone on silent during family time and check voicemail periodically. I would be sceptical of giving somebody $20K who won&#x27;t give me a &quot;real&quot; phone number.<p>I always find that speaking to somebody on the phone or in person regularly leads to a much better long term working relationship than simply email or IM. It&#x27;s much easier to trust someone when you can associate them with a face or voice.
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tptacek将近 12 年前
The core problem I see this consultant facing is that they&#x27;re doing business with an individual person and not with a business. Take people out to dinner. But do business with their companies.
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mgkimsal将近 12 年前
&quot;She complained about my fee – constantly&quot;<p>This is generally a sign that the person you&#x27;re working with is paying directly from their own pocket, or the business is so small it feels like the equivalent of paying out of their own pocket, even if it&#x27;s not technically.<p>I&#x27;ve had <i>some</i> mid sized clients that were still concerned about fee size - and they were family-owned&#x2F;run. I&#x27;m not suggesting people <i>shouldn&#x27;t</i> be concerned about a fee at all - they want to know they&#x27;re getting more value than they&#x27;re shelling out. It&#x27;s a valid concern, but should be just one of many factors, and judging by hourly rate alone is a poor measuring stick (but one which few people can get past).<p>#1 I had someone call me up frantic because their site was broken. I didn&#x27;t have the time to fix it right then, but <i>emailed back instructions</i> on how to fix it. I said &quot;give this to your web team&quot; (they <i>had</i> at least 2 JS developers on staff who had <i>created</i> the bug in the first place), but 7 hours later I got an even more frantic call to &#x27;just fix it&#x27;.<p>I fixed it, sent an invoice for $200, and got back to my work in 15 minutes. I got a check in the mail the next week. They didn&#x27;t particularly care what the price was. If I&#x27;d sent an invoice for $2k, possibly, but I probably could have said $500 and it still would have been paid. It wasn&#x27;t that person&#x27;s money - it was just a problem that needed to be solved, and there was money in the budget to do it.<p>#2 - had a prospective client complain about their current dev&#x2F;tech guy, who kept fighting&#x2F;arguing that some of the requested features couldn&#x27;t be done, because they&#x27;re not possible or they&#x27;d be too slow. I did a demo in an hour outlining exactly how to do it, what tech to use, how to set it up, and what the code would look like. And still got pushback on my fee, because hourly I&#x27;m about 6x what they&#x27;re paying the other guy, but they only feel comfortable paying 2-3x the current rate. And I&#x27;m trying to get across to them that while I have an hourly (and daily, and weekly) rate, the bigger measure is - how fast is stuff getting done. I&#x27;ve been tempted to offer a project quote, but I&#x27;ve watched the project from afar for several months and it&#x27;s felt like too many pivots to be stable enough to provide a flat rate quote.<p>#1 didn&#x27;t complain at all - provided value, they saved face with their client, and I made $200 in 15 minutes.<p>#2 spending effectively their own money (or borrowed money) and are cautious about every penny. Again, not that they shouldn&#x27;t be, but it&#x27;s much harder dealing with this sort of client.
lesterbuck将近 12 年前
The second and third issues are serious. I read the first issue, being indecisive, as a cry for help from client to professional. After the first scope change on the first day, I&#x27;d do my professional duty and inquire if they might want to engage me to determine what they really needed, at 10% or whatever of the estimated project cost. In fact, wouldn&#x27;t this have been obvious from discussions with the client before the freelancer&#x27;s bid was accepted? If we abdicate our responsibility to guide the customer to make good choices using our skills and experience, then we often get indecisive clients. Otherwise we are reduced to glorified order takers. For example, if we got the RFP specs and are chatting with the client as we prepared our response, it is perfectly valid to ask them how they arrived at these requirements. If they tell us that they had engaged a brand consultant who laid out a multistep plan that they were now executing on, that is one thing. If they tell us that they decided to issue the RFP on the drive into work this morning, that&#x27;s another. Is it that hard to detect that major scope changes are in the offing before submitting a proposal?
joering2将近 12 年前
I would love to read what happened next: his resignation letter and her response. Did she try to change the rules? Did he give her a reasonable list of &quot;why&quot;? Did she ever get nasty with him. What happened next??
auctiontheory将近 12 年前
Good points, but seemed a bit misogynistic. Maybe it was the pictures.
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OldSchool将近 12 年前
100% Kudos. Refusing to take on an adverse relationship is a sign of maturity in business. If you manage your own finances well - saving, and not taking on unnecessarily large recurring expenses - your life will be happier one overall because you&#x27;ll be able to say &quot;no&quot; when you should.
alance将近 12 年前
Why not just make it non-gender specific? The female pronouns and imagery really distracts.
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patja将近 12 年前
Totally tangential: I&#x27;m curious as to why the author included Shutterstock attribution links on all of the images.<p>Is the author getting some deal where they get images for free if they supply an attribution link?
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hardwaresofton将近 12 年前
Almost unrelated -- the iframes that contain ads on the right side of your page need to either be made a little bigger to avoid the scrollbars that are popping up, or you need to do some CSS tweaks.
Spooky23将近 12 年前
I guess my attitude here would depend on my pipeline. $20k of freelance work doesn&#x27;t sound like chicken feed. I&#x27;d probably put up with a certain amount of bullshit if they pay in time.
pbreit将近 12 年前
Site looks like a content farm to me, complete with lousy advertising.
benmorris将近 12 年前
Smart move in my opinion I&#x27;ve faced some of the same decisions .
rorrr2将近 12 年前
I don&#x27;t understand why you call it $20K&#x2F;year. Isn&#x27;t it $20K&#x2F;project?<p>$20K&#x2F;year is lower than what most programmer interns&#x2F;entry make these days.
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deadreturns将近 12 年前
Did anyone else notice sexism?