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San Francisco to L.A. in 30 Mins. With Proposed New Transportation System

188 点作者 clicks将近 12 年前

23 条评论

jakozaur将近 12 年前
Honestly, I&#x27;m tired of that kind of articles..<p>Don&#x27;t get me wrong I would love to read how hyperloop will work and I&#x27;m really excited about it.<p>Instead I see on HN tons of badly written speculations about what was said a long time ago. Especially those from news sites don&#x27;t add any new information or analysis.<p>It just an attractive title to get some page views. It&#x27;s missing the point, Elon Musk said explicitly that it&#x27;s not evacuated tube. There are blog post which are superior to this article.
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InclinedPlane将近 12 年前
People should re-read this article carefully. There is an insinuated connection between Musk&#x27;s Hyperloop plan and the company ET3 and their evacuated tube design, but there is none.
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kinofcain将近 12 年前
There&#x27;s no way you can get people from LA to SF in that timeframe without some combination of massive tunnels and viaducts due to what&#x27;s known as minimum vertical curve radius.<p>If he&#x27;s going to build this for one tenth the cost of a predominantly at-grade high speed rail system, then the real breakthrough isn&#x27;t his don&#x27;t-call-it-a-vacuum evacuated air hockey tube, it&#x27;s a magical ability to lay massive amounts of concrete and bore hundreds of miles of tunnel for several orders of magnitude less money than is currently required.<p>If he&#x27;s figured that out, the resulting company would be worth far more than tesla, SpaceX and any asteroid mining venture he could conceive of combined.<p>I don&#x27;t think he&#x27;s figured that out.
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guynamedloren将近 12 年前
Elon Musk. Every time I hear about him, the more fanboy-ish I get. Gotta be one of the most inspiring people alive today. He has a vision to make the world a better place (or a vision to fucking dominate, whatever you want to call it) and <i>he&#x27;s executing on it</i>. He&#x27;s ripping industries apart and creating new ones. He&#x27;s unstoppable.
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WildUtah将近 12 年前
Of course, if such a thing were ever built, you&#x27;d wait so long in security and lines to pay off every mouth in the national security theater pork barrel trough that it&#x27;d have been faster to drive.<p>The best thing about driving in the USA is that oil companies, manufacturers, the UAW, the AAA, the AASHTO, and the rest have established a lobbying network that can blow down even the most sensible limits on driving. They whine like a toddler even at tiny inconveniences that would benefit them in the long run like raising the gas tax enough to keep highways and bridges from falling down. And the government bows and submits and the motorcar industry gets even steeper outrageous subsidies while high speed rail, public transit, and air travelers get whacked with a bat in the teeth. Usually it&#x27;s the national security complex that wields the bat but it could just as easily be an overpaid transit union.
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garindra将近 12 年前
With the addition of Hyperloop, Elon Musk is basically transforming transportation in all possible ranges:<p>- Short-range (in-city, cross-city): Tesla<p>- Medium-range&#x2F;long-range (cross-state, possibly cross-country &amp; cross-continent): Hyperloop<p>- Ultra-long-range (cross-planetary, possibly cross-galactic): SpaceX
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jlgreco将近 12 年前
I am not quite getting the connection between Elon Musk and ET3, besides some similarities in goals.<p>As far as I can tell, this is not Elon Musk&#x27;s idea&#x2F;company, the article is only written to imply but not actually <i>say</i> that it is.<p>ET3 website: <a href="http://et3.com/about-daryl-oster" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;et3.com&#x2F;about-daryl-oster</a>
jasonjei将近 12 年前
There was always a shred of truth to tube transport in <i>Futurama</i> and the <i>Jetsons</i>. While it may not work exactly like that and may require attendants to ensure safety similar to airplanes, it&#x27;s amazing how fast you can go without air resistance in a vacuum.<p>It doesn&#x27;t have to be a large hadron collider, just good enough to get you to LA in 30 minutes. It can also be done economically; as the article points out, the high speed rail system may be obsoleted by this as well as flying. Imagine eliminating the great uncertainties of safety in flying at Concorde speeds.<p>Perhaps those cartoons scared people away from this technology :)
ig1将近 12 年前
Something not unsimilar has been tried in the past:<p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Pneumatic_Despatch_Company" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;London_Pneumatic_Despatch_Comp...</a><p>In the 1860s there were a series of pneumatic tubes built under London, they were primarily built for cargo but it was perfectly feasible for people to travel in them (engineers working on the system did so).
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k-mcgrady将近 12 年前
&gt;&gt; &quot;ET3 has already built mock-ups and prototypes and is planning a 3-mile test run by the end of 2013.&quot;<p>Every time I&#x27;ve heard Musk talk about this I thought it was something that we wouldn&#x27;t see for another 10-20 years. A test this year would be fantastic. Of course with regulation&#x2F;law no matter how quickly they build it we might not see it in use by the general public for a long time.<p>As we don&#x27;t know many details I can&#x27;t be sure but could this be Musk&#x27;s answer to long-distance green travel? He already has the solar panel company (providing green energy to buildings etc.), Tesla (green cars), ET3 (green airplane replacements). I&#x27;m not sure if this was his aim but owning each of those markets would be pretty amazing.<p>Edit:<p>It might take some convincing to get people to use this though. My first thought when it said it could travel at 4000MPH was &quot;if anything goes wrong with this I&#x27;m dead&quot;. A lot of effort&#x2F;cost will need to be put into maintaining the system as at that speed even a minor flaw will most likely cause fatalities.
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jayfuerstenberg将近 12 年前
I saw the possible mock-ups of such a tube system (where everybody has to be seated) and had only one question: Where is the restroom and how do you stand up to walk there?<p>I hope Elon has considered this.
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natch将近 12 年前
Did Elon ever publish his promised paper with the details of the proposed Hyperloop idea?
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drpancake将近 12 年前
I can&#x27;t find evidence for any link between Musk and ET3. The article states:<p><i>&quot;ET3&#x27;s Hyperloop-like project already has a number of schematics and plans already in place.&quot;</i><p>Which doesn&#x27;t suggest to me that they&#x27;re affiliated.
yread将近 12 年前
&gt; In theory, this elevated tube system could be built for a tenth of the cost of high-speed rail and a quarter the cost of a freeway.<p>How are they planning to build evacuated tube with magnetic rails for 1&#x2F;10th of a price of railway?
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Tloewald将近 12 年前
The idea you can bore tunnels and seal them with vacuum for cheaper than high speed rail is totally bonkers. I assume hyperloop involves flinging vehicles through the air and thus avoiding the biggest expenditure.
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wmblaettler将近 12 年前
There is much discussion over this NOT being an evacuated tube. If there is air in a closed loop tube, why not accelerate it as well? Thus providing a &quot;tail wind&quot; giving even greater speed over a friction-less vacuum - which is presumably more difficult to create. Though, I can&#x27;t even imagine the technical difficulties of creating and containing a 4,000 mph wind speed.
verytrivial将近 12 年前
The first thing that leapt to my mind: failure modes. I can imagine many, and none of them are pretty.
kalleboo将近 12 年前
This link was in the comments on that article with some speculation on how it might work <a href="http://bentilly.blogspot.de/2012/11/speculating-about-hyperloop.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;bentilly.blogspot.de&#x2F;2012&#x2F;11&#x2F;speculating-about-hyperl...</a>
varelse将近 12 年前
So how does one propose to get around negotiating land usage permission in all the podunk districts between SF and LA? That&#x27;s what kept BART from circling the Bay 20 years ago and I suspect it has a great deal to do with the ridiculous price and schedule for the HSR.
huherto将近 12 年前
If you are confused like I was after reading all the comments. This clarifies what is currently known. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperloop" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Hyperloop</a>
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capkutay将近 12 年前
Does anyone know the status of the current plans for the CA high speed rail? Last I heard, its not going to be convenient or even high speed.
future_grad将近 12 年前
How about we produce a decent public transportation system in L.A? Oh....
snake_plissken将近 12 年前
So it would take 9 minutes at 1-G to get to 4000 MPH?