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Unemployed Black Woman Pretends to be White, Job Offers Skyrocket (2012)

105 点作者 nashequilibrium将近 12 年前

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wpietri将近 12 年前
Since there were only 5 comments, I was hoping to get in before my fellow white people began the search for every possible explanation other than the obvious one. Alas, no.<p>Her experience is exactly in line with previous studies on this. E.g.:<p><a href="http://www.nber.org/digest/sep03/w9873.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nber.org&#x2F;digest&#x2F;sep03&#x2F;w9873.html</a><p>And plenty of other people have stories like this to tell. For example, this white guy with a gender-ambiguous name who suddenly got a lot more attention when he added &quot;Mr&quot; to his resume:<p><a href="http://qz.com/103453/i-understood-gender-discrimination-after-i-added-mr-to-my-resume-and-landed-a-job/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;qz.com&#x2F;103453&#x2F;i-understood-gender-discrimination-afte...</a><p>And it&#x27;s not just resumes. Bias also happens in real-world auditions:<p><a href="http://www.princeton.edu/main/news/archive/A94/90/73G00/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.princeton.edu&#x2F;main&#x2F;news&#x2F;archive&#x2F;A94&#x2F;90&#x2F;73G00&#x2F;</a><p>The truth is that most of us are unconsciously biased against and for all sorts of people. I sure am. I didn&#x27;t used to admit that, even to myself, but then I took some of the Project Implicit tests:<p><a href="https://implicit.harvard.edu/implicit/" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;implicit.harvard.edu&#x2F;implicit&#x2F;</a><p>The question isn&#x27;t whether white people have some sort of in-group bias. <i>People</i> have all sorts of in-group biases, and white people are people.<p>The question is what we do about them. More specifically, the question for you is what you, as a human, are doing about <i>your</i> biases. And the question for me is what I&#x27;m doing about mine.
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apsec112将近 12 年前
&quot;The worst thing to post or upvote is something that&#x27;s intensely but shallowly interesting. Gossip about famous people, funny or cute pictures or videos, partisan political articles, etc. If you let that sort of thing onto a news site, it will push aside the deeply interesting stuff, which tends to be quieter.&quot; - <a href="http://ycombinator.com/newswelcome.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;ycombinator.com&#x2F;newswelcome.html</a><p>I&#x27;m pretty sure that personal experiences of discrimination qualify as &quot;intensely but shallowly interesting&quot; content. It&#x27;s &quot;intense&quot; because racial&#x2F;sexual&#x2F;etc. discrimination is a very charged topic that people get passionate about. (Not that this is bad, it&#x27;s just the current state of things.)<p>It&#x27;s &quot;shallowly interesting&quot; because it doesn&#x27;t teach us anything except &quot;some companies are racist sometimes&quot;, which everyone already knows. If companies in field X are especially racist, that might be interesting. If specific company Y was really racist, that might be interesting. If people were more or less racist under circumstance Z, that might be interesting, etc. But since this kind of content doesn&#x27;t name specifics, all we can take away is &quot;some employers are racist sometimes under some circumstances&quot; (according to one person, whose account might or might not be completely accurate). That hasn&#x27;t been new information since, well, ever. Even if you went back to 1900, everyone would already know this, it&#x27;s just that most people would agree with it, instead of objecting like modern-day people would.
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jeremyjh将近 12 年前
This has been studied more formally as well, here is one paper from 2004: <a href="http://scholar.harvard.edu/mullainathan/files/emilygreg.pdf" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;scholar.harvard.edu&#x2F;mullainathan&#x2F;files&#x2F;emilygreg.pdf</a><p>They found only a 50% increase in call-backs for &quot;white sounding&quot; names, still I think this story is quite credible.
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jgs1将近 12 年前
Isn&#x27;t it likely that Monster has some sort of &quot;freshness&quot; indicator that might rank new profiles higher than old ones that haven&#x27;t been updated in a while?<p>A better experiment would have been to create two similar profiles at the same time with the only difference being the name and diversity questionnaire.
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ck2将近 12 年前
Meanwhile the supreme court continues to attempt to rollback protections for equal treatment like society is all grown up now.<p>ps. this article seems like dejavu, I swear I&#x27;ve read it before here
rooshdi将近 12 年前
How does this get flagged off so quickly when there&#x27;s a sexism article on the frontpage?
mynewwork将近 12 年前
&quot;She had no prior work experience and had applied for a clerical position, but was offered a higher post as an executive manager making close to six figures&quot;<p>Does this anecdote not sound crazy to anyone else? Racial discrimination by name is well documented in other studies, but her classmate&#x27;s experience seems implausible.
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lightyrs将近 12 年前
Correlation does not imply causation.<p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correlation_does_not_imply_causation#Examples_of_illogically_inferring_causation_from_correlation" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Correlation_does_not_imply_cau...</a>
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DanBC将近 12 年前
&quot;Diversity information&quot; should not be forwarded on to anyone except the statistician[1] in the personnel department who is creating charts to show that the company is making efforts to not exclude people.<p>It&#x27;s probably time that companies started asking for a different form of resume &#x2F; CV - without any age, gender, sexuality, race, religion, or disability information on it.<p>We could probably design a suitable experiment to satisfy everyone that the phenomena is real. I&#x27;d be interested to see what happens if 10 people send 3 CVs each for a company - same information but with &quot;Mr Kim Johnson&quot;, &quot;Mrs Kim Johnson&quot;, &quot;Yolanda Johnson&quot; swapped in for the name.
mathattack将近 12 年前
This is a very true and real problem, and there is significant data and other studies to support her assertion.<p>That said, the title is a little misleading as it&#x27;s &quot;Job Inquiries&quot; that skyrocket, not offers. Of course it takes one to get the other....
grannyg00se将近 12 年前
&quot;If you don’t believe that racism in the job market is real, then please read this article&quot;<p>Stopped reading.<p>Yes, I believe racism, sexism, ageism, and a number of other <i>isms</i> in the job market are real. It&#x27;s not a <i>job market</i> issue. It&#x27;s a human being issue. As long as your resume has to get past a human then you&#x27;re going to have all of those biases to contend with.
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jamesjguthrie将近 12 年前
I want to see results of an experiment like this done in the UK for a standard call centre&#x2F;restaurant&#x2F;shop&#x2F;etc. kind of job. All those places have Equal Opportunities Policies, which some say, means they will prioritise anybody over healthy, straight, white, British, non-religious males.<p>I want to know if it&#x27;s true.
dennisgorelik将近 12 年前
New resume generally attracts more attention than resume that was posted long time ago.<p>That could explain the difference.
burgerz将近 12 年前
employers should be allowed to discriminate however they wish. forced equality leads to more inequality. but i love the comments saying she should call the justice department because she didn&#x27;t get a job because &quot;she was black&quot; when all she did was used two different names.