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China’s plan to build the longest underwater tunnel on the planet

66 点作者 fortepianissimo将近 12 年前

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enko将近 12 年前
What&#x27;s crazy about it? I resent that headline. Doing big things should be applauded. Good on them.<p>You want crazy? America binding itself hand and foot with its bullshit Chicago School economic idealogy, that&#x27;s crazy. It is absolute frigging nonsense and will be the ruin of the country. Now watch everyone else eat its breakfast, lunch and dinner.<p>Note: This tunnel would &quot;cost&quot; china less than one month of the USA&#x27;s &quot;quantitative easing&quot;. For whatever &quot;cost&quot; means to a government that can print its own money. The hilarious thing is, the USA can&#x27;t pump that money into infrastructure projects because of their stupid, stupid political aversion to a misunderstood fear of SOCIALISM! So they have to funnel everything through the banks. China doesn&#x27;t give a shit, pumps money straight into infrastructure. At the end of the day, China has the infrastructure, the USA has what? Some banker&#x27;s bonuses and another thousand foreclosed houses. So what were you saying about &quot;crazy&quot;?
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ChuckMcM将近 12 年前
Sigh, its sad to see the technology stuff getting side swiped in the comments by ideological rhetoric.<p>A 76 mile tunnel, under water, is an ambitious effort. Just like tunneling through a mountain in Switzerland [1] was an ambitious effort.<p>What these projects do is advance the knowledge we have of how to build tunnels (which since we don&#x27;t do them all that often is very precious knowledge). The notion of having it be a covered trench tunnel like Boston&#x27;s Big Dig is interesting although at the depths they are talking about it might be interesting to make a semi-floating tube type tunnel. Either way, taking on the challenge is intrinsically interesting to people who are amazed by very large infrastructure projects.<p>[1] <a href="http://news.discovery.com/tech/worlds-largest-tunnel-drilled-under-swiss-alps.htm" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.discovery.com&#x2F;tech&#x2F;worlds-largest-tunnel-drilled...</a>
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rgbrenner将近 12 年前
A tunnel 76 mi long is &quot;crazy&quot;? Is this the first Chinese infrastructure project the writer has heard about?<p>108 Chinese Infrastructure Projects: <a href="http://www.businessinsider.com/108-giant-chinese-infrastructure-projects-that-are-reshaping-the-world-2011-12?op=1" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.businessinsider.com&#x2F;108-giant-chinese-infrastruct...</a><p>There are a couple of projects at the end that are 10X the cost of this tunnel.<p>$200 Billion (5x the cost of this project) spent in 2012 on roads: <a href="http://money.cnn.com/gallery/news/world/2013/05/23/china-infrastructure.fortune/2.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;money.cnn.com&#x2F;gallery&#x2F;news&#x2F;world&#x2F;2013&#x2F;05&#x2F;23&#x2F;china-inf...</a>
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OldSchool将近 12 年前
One country invests $USD 42 Billion for infrastructure that will last decades, the other spends that much for a few months of an ill-defined war and spying on its own people.<p>Which one is the USA and which one is China? Depends which century you&#x27;re talking about I guess.
tokenadult将近 12 年前
We&#x27;ll see if this works as well as previous infrastructure projects in China.<p>&quot;Liu Zhijun, China&#x27;s ex-railway minister, sentenced to death for corruption&quot;<p><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jul/08/liu-zhijun-sentenced-death-corruption" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.guardian.co.uk&#x2F;world&#x2F;2013&#x2F;jul&#x2F;08&#x2F;liu-zhijun-sente...</a><p>&quot;China’s Bridge Collapse: Infrastructure Boom Raises Safety Questions&quot;<p><a href="http://world.time.com/2012/08/27/bridge-collapse-in-china-raises-questions-about-safety-of-countrys-road-construction-boom/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;world.time.com&#x2F;2012&#x2F;08&#x2F;27&#x2F;bridge-collapse-in-china-ra...</a><p>&quot;China failed to heed rail safety warnings&quot;<p><a href="http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/bbd56722-b78c-11e0-b95d-00144feabdc0.html#axzz2Ys75lSrX" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.ft.com&#x2F;cms&#x2F;s&#x2F;0&#x2F;bbd56722-b78c-11e0-b95d-00144feabd...</a><p>&quot;Grieving Chinese Parents Protest School Collapse&quot;<p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/17/world/asia/17china.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nytimes.com&#x2F;2008&#x2F;07&#x2F;17&#x2F;world&#x2F;asia&#x2F;17china.html</a><p>About the specific proposed project mentioned in the link kindly submitted here, other news reports<p><a href="http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/07/11/us-china-tunnel-idUSBRE96A0EK20130711" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.reuters.com&#x2F;article&#x2F;2013&#x2F;07&#x2F;11&#x2F;us-china-tunnel-id...</a><p>mention<p>&quot;China announced plans in 1994 to build the tunnel, at a cost of $10 billion, and set to be completed before 2010. But more than 20 years on, the project remains stuck in the planning stage, the website said, without elaborating.&quot;
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mjs7231将近 12 年前
Curious question. How does one get proper air flow in a tunnel that long?
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swamp40将近 12 年前
These tunnel boring machines are one of humanities greatest achievements.<p>Look at their size: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Hamburg.Trude.wmt.jpg" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;File:Hamburg.Trude.wmt.jpg</a><p>It took 3 years for men and mules working 24 hours a day 6 days a week to dig a 2 mile tunnel out under Lake Michigan for Chicago&#x27;s clean water in 1865. It was heralded as the 8th wonder of the world.
redact207将近 12 年前
Wow, this is a really interesting project. As someone who used to live next to the port in Dalian I&#x27;m really curious what the motivation of this project is.<p>The article mentions it&#x27;ll generate $3.7b pa, but I assume a big chunk of that revenue will come at the expense of the local shipping route from Dalian to Yantai &amp; Weihai.<p>From a logistical standpoint I&#x27;m scratching my head a little. There&#x27;s not a huge amount of demand for a container to start in Dalian and finish in Yantai; so justifying a big time saving on that basis seems odd.<p>China does have a tendency to build a lot of stuff to bump up their GBP and production output to keep people employed and avoid civil unrest. Even so, I&#x27;d love to see this get built, but probably will still take the boat.
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tnuc将近 12 年前
Good to see China looking at the long term economic benefits from undertaking such projects.
contingencies将近 12 年前
I&#x27;ve travelled (and lived!) quite a lot in Shandong province.<p>The area slightly west of Yantai, where the tunnel is apparently supposed to land (judging by the map in the article), is known as Penglai. This area was a small historic port near a promontary that used to be known in Chinese literature as where the eight immortals cross the ocean. This is apparently due to visual phenomena during certain weather conditions that make it appear as if there are magically appearing islands offshore. It&#x27;s also claimed by some (perhaps local tourist authorities, only) to be where China&#x27;s first totalitarian ruler, Qin Shi Huang, sent hundreds of young children out in to the ocean in search of his own immortality. <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penglai_City" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Penglai_City</a><p>Unfortunately, what used to be a beautiful area (a hugely historic small fishing port, and lots of old architecture) was ... in the manner of so many historic potential tourist attractions across China ... completely flattened and then rebuilt as a &quot;new&quot; old town by the local authorities; complete with surrounding wall!<p>Some shots of the destruction: <a href="http://pratyeka.org/penglai-destroyed/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;pratyeka.org&#x2F;penglai-destroyed&#x2F;</a> .. I have shots from prior to the destruction, but not online. Basically it was a vibrant port with an ancient history.<p>Also nearby in Shandong province are some lesser known (and some relatively well known) attractions:<p>(1) the world soccer federation approved (great pictures of cafe-dining on a Swiss junket in the museum there!) original home of football (the Chinese invented everything, you know!), in <i>Linzi</i>.<p>(2) the ancient capital of <i>Qingzhou</i>, the site of the 1996 discovery of the largest hoard of Buddhist statuary of the entire 20th century, some Buddhist carved mountain grottoes, and some of the oldest mosques in the country; <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qingzhou" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Qingzhou</a> [MY PICK]<p>(3) the historical (Tang Dynasty; ~1000 years ago) route of Ennin (<i>Yuanren</i>), a Japanese Buddhist monk who travelled by ship to China in search of Buddhist lore, recorded his direct observations in colloquial Chinese (perhaps to sharpen his language), and has since become one of the most important sources on the average person&#x27;s lot during what is commonly considered to be China&#x27;s apex era; the Tang. Interested hackers can can follow a previous retracing of his steps that I helped to facilitate: <a href="http://pratyeka.org/ennin/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;pratyeka.org&#x2F;ennin&#x2F;</a><p>(4) the waters of <i>Zhang Bogo</i>, a Korean Chinese pirate captain who grew to significant fame operating off the east of the peninsula at about the same time; <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jang_Bogo" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Jang_Bogo</a><p>(5) <i>Taishan</i>, one of the most sacred mountains of China; particularly used by ancient emperors; <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taishan" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Taishan</a><p>(6) <i>Qufu</i>, the home of Confucius (unversally hated by travellers for its strange, endemic hassle; but some nice sculptures in the temple and massive outdoor family mausoleum) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qufu" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Qufu</a><p>(7) The Grand Canal that linked historic northern and southern China, primarily for supporting the north with the year-round agricultural produce of the south; <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Canal_%28China%29" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Grand_Canal_%28China%29</a><p>(8) <i>Dezhou</i>, an otherwise uninteresting little town on the Grand Canal which was the final resting place for a Philippino muslim Sultan who came to visit the Chinese emperor and is sometimes thought to have been poisoned by the Chinese state .. possibly in retribution for not showing enough deferential respect for the emperor .. on his homeward journey; his flunkies decided to settle to protect the tomb and take local wives; thus many locals are partly descended from Phillipinos! <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dezhou" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Dezhou</a><p>(9) The former German treaty port of Qingdao, with some nice architecture and China&#x27;s most famous beer; <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qingdao" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Qingdao</a><p>(10) The former British treaty port of Weihai, where well to do Shanghai residents took their summer holidays; this featured prominently in later wars; <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weihai" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Weihai</a><p>(11) Much of China&#x27;s wine production. <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shandong#Wine_industry" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Shandong#Wine_industry</a><p>(12) The site of Fa Xian&#x27;s landing in 412. Fa Xian was one of the most important of the few well recorded pilgrims in early Chinese history who went to India in search of Buddhist scriptures; thus paving the way for Buddhism&#x27;s further expansion (including to Japan and Korea). <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faxian" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Faxian</a><p>All in all, an interesting part of China. Though largely destroyed by industrial development these days, it hides some fascinating history for the motivated.
roy_x将近 12 年前
whether it will be a underwater tunnel or a bridge or a combination is still in planning stage, definitely it has lower priority than another tunnel which connect Hainan province and the mainland, so this bohaiwan one will never come into true before 2020.