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What I Learned In College

118 点作者 blackhole将近 12 年前

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jmduke将近 12 年前
I graduated two months ago, and I learned a lot of things, too.<p>I learned that the fastest way I&#x27;ll ever learn a subject (whether or not it&#x27;s a programming language, a financial derivative, or an era of Hinduism) is on my own, poring over search engines and worn-down books. Professors will never teach me <i>faster</i> than I can teach myself.<p>I learned that, yes, you&#x27;re more or less paying for the piece of paper (but that doesn&#x27;t mean there isn&#x27;t a lot of other awesome things you get along the way.)<p>I learned that, yes, that piece of paper is quite worth it, no matter how many hip tech companies say they don&#x27;t care about pieces of paper.<p>I learned that there can be infinitely more value in talking to a stranger for fifteen minutes than spending that time browsing Reddit (or playing a video game.)<p>I learned that, despite my protestations otherwise, I honestly do perform best when my outcome is quantified, curved, and compared to other people&#x27;s outcomes.<p>I learned that everyone&#x27;s college experience is wildly unique, too, as I benefitted from professors in both business and computer science classes who always rewarded creativity instead of stifling it.<p>(I don&#x27;t mean to say that I disliked college. It was the best four years of my life. But the idea that the undergraduate experience is marvelous and the idea that the undergraduate experience needs a lot of fixing are not necessarily in contention with one another.)
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navait将近 12 年前
Sigh. Another special snowflake lamenting that the system didn&#x27;t bend to exactly his needs.<p>What you get out of university is what you put into it. Want to be judged for something other than test taking? Get involved in research. Get involved in one of the many math and CS organizations your campus has. But you have to go get them yourself. Nobody&#x27;s going to say &quot;oh, you&#x27;re so smart, please join our team!&quot;<p>Get it out of your head that being smart entitles you to anything or makes you special. You&#x27;ll find your classmates aren&#x27;t robots, and are just as smart as you, and have a lot to offer.
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10098将近 12 年前
What you learn in college&#x2F;university depends only on yourself. Tests are just the most convenient, unified way to measure students&#x27; progress. There are two ways you can beat tests: one is to train specifically for the test, the other is to actually know the subject.<p>The first way is easier, but leaves you with little residual knowledge, and you don&#x27;t even know how to apply that knowledge. The second way is much harder, and it requires work on your part. However, it pays off. Not only you get to pass the test, you&#x27;re also now armed with useful knowledge.<p>At my time in university, I&#x27;ve taken both approaches towards various subjects. For the algorithms class, I made a lot of effort to study and understand the subject. Today, I still have it in my head, and can apply it when needed. For differential equations, I just studied for the test. I don&#x27;t remember anything now, and it&#x27;s my fault for being lazy. I got an &quot;A&quot; in both subjects, by the way.<p>What I&#x27;m trying to say is, the system is just fine as long as qualified professors are teaching. The problem is lazy students.
arikrak将近 12 年前
&gt;Any task that can be reduced to simply following a set of instructions over and over is being done by robots and software.<p>Agreed. Along similar lines:<p>Any problem that can be solved with clearly-defined steps can be programmed so that a computer can solve it. Many areas of education, especially math-related ones, involve students learning to mechanically implement set procedures and formulas to solve problems. These mechanical processes can all by definition be solved by a computer, so why pretend that these technologies do not exist? Human computers were once necessary, but they have since been supplanted.<p><a href="http://www.learneroo.com/courses/9/nodes/84" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.learneroo.com&#x2F;courses&#x2F;9&#x2F;nodes&#x2F;84</a>
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JMStewy将近 12 年前
OP, from your description of your relationship with math in school I think you would enjoy Lockhart&#x27;s Lament (pdf warning): <a href="http://www.maa.org/devlin/LockhartsLament.pdf" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.maa.org&#x2F;devlin&#x2F;LockhartsLament.pdf</a><p>I had a similar experience to yours and Lockhart&#x27;s essay felt both inspiring and vindicating when I found it.
blacksqr将近 12 年前
&quot;Sometimes you have to consider the possibility they are getting the results they want.&quot; --Atrios
mjmahone17将近 12 年前
Holy crap, UW&#x27;s CS only has 200 graduates per year? For a school of that size, that&#x27;s tiny. That&#x27;s close to as many as most Ivy League schools these days, and their undergrad population is usually around 1&#x2F;5 that of UW. This is especially sad, as CS courses should be pretty easy to scale, especially when you have a group of undergrads who want to teach. Not to mention how hypercompetitiveness drives out diversity, especially of minds, because the more competitive it is, the more of the &quot;correct&quot; hoops you have to jump through. This means that, if you struggle in math but are highly artistic, and could bring a different perspective to your courses, you&#x27;re effectively shut out.
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tehwalrus将近 12 年前
This is an excellent critique of large-scale education systems. But what we need is a <i>better</i> large-scale education system - telling everyone to think for themselves all the time is fun for us geeks, but most people (teachers&#x2F;school administrators) just don&#x27;t have the time or energy.<p>(even if you do invent a way to get, for want of a better word, lazy teachers to actually teach real knowledge, it may still be impossible to persuade political systems to actually act on this.)<p>I must also contrast this experience of university with my own. Cambridge <i>mocked</i> answerable questions and wrote-learning. In addition to (semi-optional) lectures, we learned in weekly one-on-(three to five) sessions with professors and grad students who would grade your problem sheet and then talk you through it (normally while firing off hard questions to probe how well you understood the material.) I had three or four of these sessions per week, excluding time towards the end of the degree where we were working on an independent project and that took up some time slots.<p>Cambridge (+probably Oxford) do this <i>in spite</i> of the prevailing education climate - they are largely autonomous and no British politician would ever try and impose an education system on them. Everyone else, however, suffers.
dev1n将近 12 年前
<i>The greatest challenge our species has ever faced is the educational system itself.</i><p>Almost. John Steinbeck said it best, IMO, &quot;We now face the danger which has been the most destructive to the humans. Success, comfort, and ever increasing leisure. No dynamic people has ever survived these dangers.&quot;
azurelogic将近 12 年前
I had a very similar experience in undergrad. I skipped all sorts of classes and got great grades. I didn&#x27;t care. I put off studying weeks of material until days before the exam. I&#x27;d even have a beer or 2 before exams. It wasn&#x27;t stimulating. For me, part of that was because I was doing the wrong thing the whole time. I was studying biochem when I should have been learning to code. When I went back for my masters in CS, I actually tried and cared. I think I missed 3 classes the whole time and only because I was too sick to go. Passion for becoming the best programmer I could be drove me to try harder and harder. While I know that school doesn&#x27;t teach you everything you need to know about software development, I refused to let anything that I could learn slip by.
AlexanderMiller将近 12 年前
How would you design the CSE admissions process? What would you change? Have you considered the pressure and lack of resources the admissions committee is forced to deal with? What about the students who received 4.0&#x27;s in all intro math and computer science classes? Why should the department devote precious educational resources to you, rather than to them?<p>We all wish that CSE was an open major at UW. But you&#x27;re ignoring a huge amount of complex practical issues when you blame bureaucracy. You offer simplistic criticism but no solutions.
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alexgartrell将近 12 年前
It&#x27;s really hard to not come across as ad hominem when you&#x27;re disagreeing with OP&#x27;s take on a personal experience, but I have very little patience for someone who sees or experiences something negative and does nothing more that cry into the wind. Fix the bug or find a work around. Lots of people managed to have great and very useful and applicable college experiences (I did) so maybe it&#x27;s the OP who is wrong?
cafard将近 12 年前
Useless facts are useless if not not organized (by the learner) into a useful structure. My impression is that a lot of schools have responded to this not by helping the students to organize the facts but by going light on facts instead.
switch33将近 12 年前
I&#x27;ve talked to Erik on a few occasions. And I think he is extremely bright and seeing someone pour over with enthusiasm like him is what motivates me to do better programming wise.<p>In response here are a few things I think people should consider:<p>It seems to me that the GPA requirements for computer science are being made pretty strict in response to trying to get the students to take other paths because some colleges don&#x27;t want to have so many computer science major students. This seems like a problem because these colleges are not really adapting to the situation and are instead just trying to push students to other curriculum by making the grade requirements much stricter for certain majors.<p>I think math in college is probably much better than it was in middleschool as well. I definitely agree I hated repeating multiplication tables and all that. It just was not fun. And it did not even feel like learning. I think there are many people who are interested in math and will not really know it till they read more about the different subjects that are in it.<p>Theres no easy answers in education like there is no easy answers in government policy. It&#x27;s just too much generalization that cannot be quantified. The abstraction in some college classes has gotten me a bit annoyed since the teachers almost do not consider the other students.<p>One case is where I had a teacher who on the last day of class changed the main assignment of the whole class to be more clearly worded in a really bad way. He failed to provide adequate time for students mainly.<p>On the last day of class he decided that students writing a group assignment should only hand in 1 group assignment (with no instruction about how one person can remove a copy of the assignment turned in through blackboard). When a group of 4 people has to coordinate anything in less than a single day it&#x27;s an idiots game.<p>My main compliant- This could have been much easier if he just graded the latest turned in papers. Or he graded the earliest ones. It wouldn&#x27;t have mattered that much to some, but he really threw a bunch of his students under the bus for a grading policy that was rather unreasonable. Instead he decided to deduct 10% off that grade because of some rule he made up in the last day of a 6 week class that was unfair because he did not provide adequate instruction.<p>Simple Game Theory will tell you something will go wrong in such a small time frame with no information. Unfortunately, my college was silly enough to not want to fix this huge blunder an professor made. In my honest opinion even the basics of game theory should be taught to teachers and people looking to go into politics. People need to understand there is a reasoning policy behind different actions. Even if it&#x27;s a non-mathematical introduction to game-theory for the most part. People need to realize there are smarter ways of getting people motivated to do things which may be better than what they are thinking.
nnoitra将近 12 年前
It&#x27;s about the environment and the people that surround you. It&#x27;s not all about learning. It never was.
calhoun137将近 12 年前
The most important thing I learned in college was how to learn things on my own.
nickthemagicman将近 12 年前
Does the fact the his avatar is fluttershy kind of ruin his credibility to anyone else?
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