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Linus is wrong about being a jerk

21 点作者 bqe将近 12 年前

12 条评论

christianbryant将近 12 年前
I wholly agree. Having worked for a Linus-type, I've seen both sides of the coin. Yes, you need tangible requirements, project goals, assigned responsibility and real consequence for harmful actions in a large-scale project, but you don't need to be a dick about it. Of course, if that's your nature, then that's who you are. But people who aren't dicks don't need to be to get the same results. Much love to Linus, but for me, FLOSS isn't about that. It's about providing a positive service to humanity that allows freedom, education, communication and a whole host of socially beneficial functions to the world. How is being a dick conducive to that beautiful product of our FLOSS efforts? Cheers :)
perlpimp将近 12 年前
Hold on a second: ... &quot;how Greg KH should be tougher on people who contribute patches to -stable&quot; ...<p>I don&#x27;t know about you but bar for patches going into stable is that much higher. If people futzing about making crap code they can use it on their own servers, but when patching stable - they should fall in line or submit their code to development branches.<p>Adding code to the kernel might be fine if you futzing about with your own server, but I sure as hell don&#x27;t want Linus &amp; Co. letting their guard down because they might hurt someone&#x27;s feelings.<p>I&#x27;ve worked with kind of Linus and I have learned from them far more than from most of considerate and gentle minded people(there are exceptions though).
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apalmer将近 12 年前
People really get their pants in a bunch about Linus&#x27; abrasive personality. I wouldnt want to work for him, but on an open source project that he has lead for over a decade I think its a pretty clear cut case of &#x27;vote with your feet&#x27;.<p>Somehow with this management style he has managed to produce the largest open source OS project in the wild... I agree with everyone doesnt need to be a dick just because linus is but we definitely cant claim this kind of approach cant work
pupppet将近 12 年前
Linus supporters&#x27; arguments are always I&#x27;d rather have it like this than the opposite side of the coin. The idea that there is a decent alternative that is not the 180° of Linus confounds you.
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tbranyen将近 12 年前
Personally, I have more respect for BDFL&#x27;s who can represent their community positively. Linus doesn&#x27;t seem to care, so it&#x27;s not like my opinion will change anything, and it shouldn&#x27;t... Nobody should tell him what to do. He&#x27;s an adult and should find a happy medium on his own that doesn&#x27;t alienate his invested developers.<p>Brendan Eich (JavaScript author), on the other hand, really disappointed me once on HackerNews and I called him out on it here: <a href="https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3097137" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=3097137</a><p>I appreciated his response and wish more leaders acted humbly like this. Just my thoughts.
fredsanford将近 12 年前
Just like trying to fix code...<p>I&#x27;d rather see an explosion when I&#x27;m wrong and nothing when I&#x27;m right rather than the opposite.
zalew将近 12 年前
you don&#x27;t want to use Linux in a world where the BDFL is afraid of hurting feelings of patch submitters.
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crashoverdrive将近 12 年前
In my opinion it comes down to this, Do you want to play the game, or do you want to change the game.<p>If you want to play the game, Sure, be a jerk, be the biggest sociopathic jerk you can be, stamp your feet when your timelines get pushed back, force your subordinates to work extra hours, yell at anyone who breaks the build. It&#x27;s the way the game has always been played.<p>Or you could change the game. Be the humble, helpful leader, be steadfast and nurturing, look at your employees as investments, because thats what they truly are, you are investing your product, your time, even your value into them, so they better damn well be worth your emotional efforts. Be the leaders that you see that are Charismatic and optimistic. But don&#x27;t expect it to be easy.<p>For some of us, being the jerk is harder.
AnthonBerg将近 12 年前
FWIW I have absolutely NO interest in contributing to any project Linus is managing - I will not do it. The only reason is his behavior which is unnecessary and of little honor.
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memracom将近 12 年前
I like the photo of Linus looking like a minister of religion in that suit and those glasses.<p>But I tend to worship at the church of statistics so right now I believe that it is all about regression to the mean until someone comes up with some hard data to show otherwise. In fact, there may be no causal relationship at all!
coldtea将近 12 年前
&gt;<i>I disagree that being a jerk is required. In fact, I believe it to be harmful.</i><p>And your credentials are?<p>Because we know what Linus achieved (or in business, Jobs, another &quot;jerk&quot;).
aimatt将近 12 年前
Gee, no comments allowed on that page. Scared of getting lamb-basted.<p>If you can&#x27;t take the heat, get out of the kitchen.