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Is This The Future of The Airline Website?

157 点作者 ahmadss将近 12 年前

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dmbaggett将近 12 年前
As a co-founder of ITA Software (travel search) and founder of the company that makes <a href="http://inky.com" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;inky.com</a> (email), I often see unexpected parallels between travel search and email. In both spaces we get periodic design documents and slide ware that look really cool and get everyone all excited. But in both spaces these designs rarely get implemented, much less reach production.<p>The reason is that the domain details are so extensive and difficult that almost nobody can get past them. I like to describe both these problem domains as &quot;fractal,&quot; because when you&#x27;re 100,000 feet up it looks pretty simple, but the closer you get the more details there are. If I had a dollar for every hacker who told me how easy it would be to make a travel search web site or an email client, I&#x27;d be rich.<p>In both spaces, a very small number of players create the core technologies, and a much larger set of players layer on top of these cores. In travel, for example, you have the GDS companies (Sabre, Amadeus, etc.), ITA, and Expedia. Everybody else -- literally, <i>everybody</i> else -- layers on top of one these systems. Kayak? ITA customer. Hipmunk? ITA customer. Etc. This means the vast majority of players don&#x27;t actually have to deal with the fractal domain complexity. And almost nobody has any clue there&#x27;s any difference between say, an ITA and a Hipmunk, even though one has a million lines of code and runs thousands of machines and the other has a fairly standard website. (#)<p>Similarly, in email, a handful of players create real mail stacks. These are the usual suspects (Microsoft, Google, Apple, IBM) and a handful of others (Inky, Sparrow, Thunderbird) Everybody else -- literally <i>everybody</i> else -- layers on top of GMail or Outlook. Mailbox.app? Layer on top of GMail. Xobni? Layer on top of Outlook. Postbox? Fork of Thunderbird.<p>In the mail space, there are at least some decent open source libraries to use. In the travel search space there is literally <i>nothing</i> to start from but a blank sheet of paper. Carl de Marcken did most of the early work figuring it out for ITA, and it nearly killed him.<p>I actually seek out domains like this; either because they&#x27;re defensible, or because I&#x27;m insane. I&#x27;m not sure which yet.<p>(#) If you&#x27;re thinking it&#x27;s necessary or even better to own the million lines of code and run thousands of machines, think again: Kayak created substantially more value for its shareholders than ITA did, with a lot less effort.
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patio11将近 12 年前
Terrible idea for selling airline tickets [1], but perhaps less terrible for selling design consulting.<p>[1] The airlines believe that, overwhelmingly, their customers know where they&#x27;re going and when, and care mostly about how much. &quot;Enticing maps&quot; and &quot;impressive photography&quot; are unlikely to increase conversion&#x2F;task success rates versus typing in &quot;LAX&quot;&#x2F;&quot;NGO.&quot;<p>The silky smooth transitions are nice, but unfortunately no amount of front-end UX work will make the backend not take several seconds to look for possible routes&#x2F;pricing for you. The multi-page workflows for e.g. Delta.com (which actually don&#x27;t suck) partly help to obscure how dog slow the backend is relative to Internet Speed (TM). A successful rework which made the app feel much more responsive could have many customers offer the feedback &quot;THE SITE IS MUCH SLOWER. WTF.&quot; and the fact that this feedback is <i>objectively untrue</i> would not prevent it from <i>costing the airline hundreds of millions of dollars.</i>
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glesica将近 12 年前
What? No. Why would you put a weird palm tree icon on a marker instead of the price? I know it&#x27;s warm in the Mediterranean, I&#x27;m not an idiot so please don&#x27;t treat me like one. Also, why does it matter where the user is located and what the temperature is there? I know where I am (which, in many cases is different from where I plan to fly out of) and I can probably figure out the local temperature if I need to, which I don&#x27;t when booking a flight.<p>Also, &quot;icon-driven&quot; navigation? In other words, confusing pictures that I have to think about instead of clear text. Drop the icons and the interface actually gets more minimalist (since the text is there anyway).<p>How in the world did design get to this point? It&#x27;s like somebody decided that the Internet was too convenient and efficient and asked a bunch of designers to figure out ways to make it harder to use instead of fixing the <i>actual</i> problems that exist... (an example of which would be the date dropdowns on travel web sites, let me either select a date or type in a free-form date that gets parsed smartly).
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coldcode将近 12 年前
No. I work for a travel company and not only does this not work but it is likely illegal under DOT in the US. Using a map to pick is cutesy but pointless as you might not even know where the hell you are going except by name or airport code. I admit picking flights is rarely much fun except at sites like Google and Hipmunk who do not book and are thus not limited by the DOT and a wall of lawyers. Also GDS systems (and those airlines that handle their own reservations) are slow as shit to do anything. Google manages to be fast because it caches heavily producing really stale pricing and availability which is not easy to overcome. You can have fast or you can have up to date but you can&#x27;t have both. Plus you have all the issues that everyone in the industry hates everyone else and thus makes interoperability a pain in the ass.
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snowwrestler将近 12 年前
It&#x27;s not hard to create beautiful layouts and cool interactions when one is not constrained by real-world limitations, restrictions, users, budget, and technologies.<p>In general I&#x27;m not a fan of this sort of splashy, spec or concept project. I think it telegraphs that a company is not focused enough on real work, or at least that they do not understand the crucial importance of constraints to good design.<p>It reminds me of this rant about tech company &quot;concept videos&quot;, which I very much agree with (ignoring if possible the MS vs Apple minefield):<p><a href="http://daringfireball.net/2011/11/companies_that_publish_concept_videos" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;daringfireball.net&#x2F;2011&#x2F;11&#x2F;companies_that_publish_con...</a>
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untog将近 12 年前
I hope not, that UI is infuriating to use. I know it isn&#x27;t exciting or glamorous, but the type-ahead dropdown thing everyone uses right now is used for a reason- it works.<p>Even worse, this concept focuses entirely on airline websites for booking travel. I think airlines need to work a lot harder on what happens after that- the ability to easily look up baggage limits, airport info, checking in online... all of these things are a lot more important than booking, which most people don&#x27;t even do on an airline&#x27;s own site anyway.
Ricapar将近 12 年前
This is what I want when I&#x27;m looking to plan a trip. Notice I said &quot;trip&quot;, not flight. Usually I don&#x27;t care about my method of travel, I just want to get from A to B to C in an efficient and affordable manner.<p>I live in Central NJ. Nearby me are several Amtrak and NJ Transit stations and three major airports (EWR, JFK, and LGA). I have a car that can take me to any of those places. I also have friedns that could drop me off at any of those places as well. Plenty of options to depart from.<p>Let&#x27;s say I want to visit some family in Florida. My final destination is also abundant in transportation options. For Florida, I can land in Miami (MIA) or Ft. Lauderdale (FLL) and be picked up in either one.<p>I usually end up fiddling around in Excel, planning out time and costs for many different ways to get from A to B..<p><pre><code> EWR -&gt; MIA EWR -&gt; FLL JFK -&gt; MIA FJK -&gt; FLL ... etc .. </code></pre> And to throw another wrench in the plan: dates. I could be planning a trip a few months in advance (in hope that tickets are cheaper). Some sites really struggle with the concept of having flexible travel dates. I want to be able to say:<p><pre><code> &quot;I want to leave from the general $HomeArea, go to $FinalDestination, +&#x2F;- $x days of $date1, and come back +&#x2F;- $y days of $date2.&quot; </code></pre> I shouldn&#x27;t be building my own OLAP cubes in Excel to not get screwed over on rates.<p>But I&#x27;ve grown enough despise towards the travel industry that I&#x27;ll happily spend a few hours to make sure that I&#x27;m not paying them a penny more than I have to.
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nmcfarl将近 12 年前
A clear example of Betteridge&#x27;s law, &quot;Any headline which ends in a question mark can be answered by the word no.&quot; -<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betteridge&#x27;s_law_of_headlines" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Betteridge&#x27;s_law_of_headlines</a><p>Why? This is a pretty site that has a bunch of usability flaws making it pretty useless for actually searching for flights. And all the other reasons mentioned in this thread…
frisco将近 12 年前
As a very frequent flier, I want more power tools, not prettier interfaces. When I had the status on Delta, I ended up booking most of my tickets through the Diamond Desk simply because they had tools that let us much more efficiently search the itineraries I was interested in. For any given trip, there are often many thousands of ways to fly it, with very complex trade-offs between the options. Once you get to multi-city trips with things like open jaws and stopovers, all hope is pretty much lost if you&#x27;re trying to do it without working with the airline.<p>What I really want is a text query interface to QPX without needing to be an airline and pay seven figures for it. (That&#x27;s not hiding somewhere in the Matrix interface, is it?) Especially if I could cross-reference it with flightaware&#x27;s revenue and load data, which is super useful for things like predicting upgrades. Kayak&#x27;s nice, but it still takes hours to go through all the options, flipping between the tabs. I don&#x27;t really get Hipmunk.<p>TL;DR: Flight search is extremely complicated and these screen shots don&#x27;t cover any of the things I find difficult.
elif将近 12 年前
A lot of negativity in the comments I think comes from a limited use-case. Something like &quot;I want to get from NYC to SFO in as few clicks as possible&quot;<p>However, there is a different type of travel which is &quot;I have a little extra money sitting around, i&#x27;d love to travel&quot;<p>When you don&#x27;t have a predetermined destination, this interface is incredibly useful.
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emp_将近 12 年前
Search interfaces seems to be stuck in the 90&#x27;s too.<p>There are just so many problems with travel sites you can&#x27;t possibly say it is mainly an UX issue (well, you can since this is your business). What&#x27;s really soul-draining is spending hours looking for something, finding the perfect thing (or surrender to the less awful one), filling a ton of information, put your credit card in and be told that an &#x27;unexpected error&#x27; or &#x27;could not find your flight&#x27;. Another thing is to be instantly notified of promotions, I have just yesterday setup a IFTTT to send me a SMS if the RSS of a promotions website updates, something these travel sites could sell for a sub if they wanted to.
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mkohlmyr将近 12 年前
Personally when I&#x27;m looking for flights I&#x27;m not looking for travelling tips. I don&#x27;t need photos nor do I need any editorial. And a map is an unnecessarily complex interface for what I do want to do.<p>I use Hipmunk for finding flights and I think it&#x27;s a very functional product. Far superior as a product to what I would find on an airlines website.
brandon272将近 12 年前
I agree with the other comments made so far that the UI shown would be frustrating to use from a functional standpoint. I believe the &quot;perfect&quot; airline website would be something in between what is shown and what we have today. Something similar to Airbnb in terms of a nice UI that makes finding destinations and planning trips both functional and fun.
stef25将近 12 年前
The UI is a nice show off experiment thing but the last thing you want from an airline website.
terhechte将近 12 年前
I travel a lot, and I can safely say that I don&#x27;t like any of the current solutions much. It always takes me a long time to find a good pleasing flight. But their proposal doesn&#x27;t really cut it, sadly.
lnanek2将近 12 年前
Looks kind of annoying to use. I&#x27;ve usually searched out exactly what I want on a price comparison site and want the airline site to shut up and give it to me...
restlake将近 12 年前
f-i, first and foremost, is an interactive agency, meaning they&#x27;re all about selling their &#x27;next&#x27; project; this leads me to believe that the site is probably a response to an RFP, or a really slick sales tool. As mentioned previously, this is a nice proof-of-concept for cutting-edge web UI work and interaction design (excusing obvious UX issues) that will &#x27;[sell] design consulting&#x27;, but that&#x27;s about it
aaronbrethorst将近 12 年前
&gt; Is This The Future of The Airline Website?<p>I hope not, especially for visually impaired users, tablet or mobile users, or just for general ease of use. It&#x27;s way easier for me to type in a location&#x27;s name or airport code than try to figure out where it is on the map.<p>Here&#x27;s an example: let&#x27;s say I&#x27;m flying from Seattle-Tacoma (SEA) to Boston&#x27;s Logan Airport (BOS). On a normal travel site, I type in SEA&lt;tab&gt;BOS&lt;return&gt;. Boom, done.<p>In this design, I&#x27;d somehow or another choose my origin, and then try to figure out which of the many major airports in the Northeast I&#x27;m actually looking for. My sense of geography of that area is pretty bad, so it would likely take me a while to figure it out.<p>Or let&#x27;s consider the reverse: flying to the Pacific-Northwest. If you&#x27;re zoomed out far enough, you&#x27;re going to have a very small amount of distance between Vancouver, Seattle, and Portland. I guess you&#x27;ll need to zoom in far enough to be able to visually differentiate them in order to drop the pin? OK, but why not just type in &quot;Vancouver&quot;, &quot;Seattle&quot; or &quot;Portland&quot;?
pierlux将近 12 年前
This assumes that people know their geography.
snorkel将近 12 年前
This flight path map would be a nice infographic next to the traditional Leaving From&#x2F;Going To web form, but it&#x27;s not user friendly enough to be the only UI available. Most adults can&#x27;t even locate their destination cities on a map.
cbhl将近 12 年前
Being a big fan of AirBNB, Hipmunk, and GoPexo, I think this concept is really exciting.<p>Unfortunately, I also think that it&#x27;ll probably remain a concept for at least the next five years.<p>One of the biggest PITAs with travel is getting accurate and comprehensive flight and ticket information; with the exception of airlines running on Google&#x27;s ITA, I believe most airlines are running on systems built with Fortran (and thus are difficult to interface with). While companies like Kayak are making this information more accessible, I would be really surprised if a real-world airline managed to build anything remotely like this any time soon.
Fuzzwah将近 12 年前
As a &quot;destination discovery&quot; system, I think this would be ok. However, I&#x27;m not really the target market. I already have ideas of where I would want to travel to, I just don&#x27;t have the time or the money. Seems that a site like this is designed for someone who has the time and the money but not the ideas.... First world problems.<p>Personally, if all airlines in the world would magically work with google flights, I&#x27;d be happy.
junto将近 12 年前
One area of booking flights that always annoys me is that I have to pick ONE airport to fly from.<p>I live near to 3 good viable airports (within a 2 hour drive). I would like to pick my preferred destination and select all 3 airports as start points, and then let the algorithm find the best prices from all 3 airports.<p>They often have a &quot;+&#x2F;- 3 days&quot; option. They need a &quot;+&#x2F;- X hours drive time from LAT&#x2F;LNG&quot;.
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pattle将近 12 年前
We see this sort of thing a lot. Creating something pretty doesn&#x27;t necessarily give the user a nice experience. To be honest I&#x27;ve never found booking flights that hard, I normally just use a comparison site and it works fine. Designs like this seem a bit gimmicky and as book a flight normally involves spending quite a bit of money that&#x27;s the last thing I want to see.
baby将近 12 年前
I thought this was real and was really really excited about it. I&#x27;ve been traveling for a pretty long time and booking an airplane has always been an annoying experience. Recently UI like Hipmunk and Adioso really changed a lot and I&#x27;m really grateful that hackers have decided to improve on flight research. If someone could do what f-i just did it would just be amazing.
rlpb将近 12 年前
I don&#x27;t think you can get away from Betteridge&#x27;s law of headlines by avoiding the question mark at the end of your question.
ccross59将近 12 年前
In addition to all the other UI flaws this site has, I&#x27;m surprised nobody has mentioned that the site itself is about 15 &quot;pages&quot; long. I gave up scrolling after 30 seconds. I&#x27;m also very surprised that whoever designed the site thought that was a good idea-- I feel like that&#x27;s a pretty obvious design no-no.
bgnm2000将近 12 年前
Solving a non existent problem at its finest.
paulrademacher将近 12 年前
The proper way to appreciate this website is with Van Halen&#x27;s &quot;Right Now&quot; in the background. Open this link in the background to see for yourself: <a href="http://grooveshark.com/s/Right+Now/3XdxpO" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;grooveshark.com&#x2F;s&#x2F;Right+Now&#x2F;3XdxpO</a>
mvikramaditya将近 12 年前
I&#x27;d rather that Airline Websites use their time in improving the usability of their site by using autocomplete suggestions instead of drop-down lists of hundreds of cities, save information in case of failed payments etc rather than make the site beautiful but non-usable.
bruceb将近 12 年前
Surprising how they made a nice UI but at the 1min mark they show eastern Asia with the shades of yellow reversed. The land mass should be darker than the ocean. It makes it look like the cities are on a land mass that is the shape of the ocean.
chrismeller将近 12 年前
Blah blah blah, people know where they want to go before they are booking a damned flight, and Google Flights already lets you book them significantly more easily and cheaper than a single airline.<p>If you want to compete with Zagats, do that.
owenjones将近 12 年前
I drag the Destination Marker to a possible airport; a weather icon pops up and a line with an airplane appears from Stockholm to wherever.<p>Thats it.<p>Is there something I&#x27;m missing? I don&#x27;t think this is going to the be future of Airline websites...
semiprivate将近 12 年前
Maybe for the super rich, but the only way I&#x27;m switching off of kayak is if you bring me cheaper flights.<p>All I want from a travel booking site is cheaper flights.
madfarmer将近 12 年前
Wow Denmark is gone on that map :&#x2F;
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spotj将近 12 年前
Pretty design doesn&#x27;t mean good design. Hipmunk works fine.