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White House Seems Afraid NSA Defunding Law Could Actually Pass Today

182 点作者 mlschmitt23将近 12 年前

15 条评论

forgotAgain将近 12 年前
Whether or not this results in actually de-funding the NSA spying on US citizens it is still an important vote.<p>First, every member of the House will need to say whether they support spying on all citizens or not. They are on the clock for re-election in 16 months, less for primaries. Being on record for supporting spying on their electorate will cause more then a few to lose. That&#x27;s a good thing.<p>Second, if by some chance the amendment passes the House, then the President can no longer claim he is spying on us with the support of the other two branches of government. He will need to acknowledge that he doesn&#x27;t have the support of the American people.<p>Politics is a process. Things don&#x27;t change in a day. That doesn&#x27;t mean we should give up or get frustrated. This is a very good step in the long process to change things.
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andyl将近 12 年前
White House complains: &quot;This blunt approach is not the product of an informed, open, or deliberative process.&quot;<p>Ironic.
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anaptdemise将近 12 年前
&quot;the president has said that he welcomes a debate about how best to simultaneously safeguard both our national security and the privacy of our citizens.&quot;<p>Yeah, as long as that debate takes place on news casts and meetings and not, you know, the legislature or the courts or anywhere that can possibly do anything about it.
eah13将近 12 年前
Point of order: the <i>bill</i> may pass the House of Reps. Senate would have to pass it and president sign it before it becomes <i>law</i>. Big difference.<p>Crappy headlines like this promote a misunderstanding of how gov&#x27;t works... OP should read up on civics a little
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tzs将近 12 年前
I am puzzled by all of this apparent concern people have over privacy all of a sudden. Over a year ago, an essay [1] written by Judge Kozinski was submitted [2]. This was one of the most insightful and important essays on privacy and how we are at risk of losing much of it written in the last quarter century or more. It got NO votes and drew NO comments. (It has 2 points because 2 separate people submitted it).<p>It&#x27;s currently an open question whether or not what the NSA is doing violates the 4th Amendment. Even if it is a violation of the 4th Amendment <i>right</i> <i>now</i>, it will not be in a few years due to the factors Kozinski discusses.<p>[1] <a href="http://www.stanfordlawreview.org/online/privacy-paradox/dead-past" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.stanfordlawreview.org&#x2F;online&#x2F;privacy-paradox&#x2F;dead...</a><p>[2] <a href="https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3834977" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=3834977</a>
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macspoofing将近 12 年前
&gt; ...the White House is officially urging Congress to reject it: &quot;This blunt approach is not the product of an informed, open, or deliberative process...&quot;<p>Oh, did we have one of those when it was funded? Must have missed it.
cpursley将近 12 年前
Nonsense. It&#x27;s all theater.<p>Edit: in response to the downvotes. When was the last time <i>anything</i> (large) was defunded by the US congress?<p>Be realistic. The natural trajectory for a state is to <i>consume</i> and <i>expand</i> until doing so is no longer sustainable.<p>Fat people like cake. Dogs chase cats. Bears shit in the woods.
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vinchuco将近 12 年前
<a href="http://defundthensa.com/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;defundthensa.com&#x2F;</a>
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jrwoodruff将近 12 年前
According to Amash, the bill doesn&#x27;t actually defund anything, but instead aims to end blanket surveillance of Americans by requiring that any records being requested via Section 215 are for &#x27;a person under investigation.&#x27;<p>See this FAQ from Amash&#x27;s office: <a href="http://amash.house.gov/sites/amash.house.gov/files/072413AmashMythFact.pdf" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;amash.house.gov&#x2F;sites&#x2F;amash.house.gov&#x2F;files&#x2F;072413Ama...</a>
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suprgeek将近 12 年前
In addition to the Irony Rich statements coming from the Whitehouse, they are attacking this from another front <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130723/01361323896/dueling-house-amendments-over-cutting-nsa-surveillance-funding-one-is-red-herring-to-trick-congress.shtml" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.techdirt.com&#x2F;articles&#x2F;20130723&#x2F;01361323896&#x2F;duelin...</a><p>The Nugent amendment while sounding very similar is probably meant to gut the &quot;real changes&quot; Amash amendment by splitting the votes.<p>Sneaky ..very sneaky
pcl将近 12 年前
If you feel strongly about this, call &#x2F; email &#x2F; write your representative and senators. It seems obvious to say, but if you don&#x27;t, they won&#x27;t know your opinion.<p><a href="http://www.opencongress.org/people/zipcodelookup" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.opencongress.org&#x2F;people&#x2F;zipcodelookup</a>
adventured将近 12 年前
We need a lot of people in the streets protesting to get meaningful legislation to pass restricting the mass spying activities of the US intelligence system. So far all the efforts seem like shots in the dark. As it is, the politicians will play their standard game of waiting out the uproar.<p>Americans also need to start thinking about international relations as well. It&#x27;s an outrage how we&#x27;ve been treating our friends. We should be demanding significant restrictions against international spying as well.
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nanidin将近 12 年前
I do think something needs to be done. I don&#x27;t think that something is to completely dismantle the NSA - that&#x27;s as reactionary as the PATRIOT act was with regards to 9&#x2F;11.<p>The USA has some of their most brilliant crypto&#x2F;security&#x2F;intel guys working at the NSA. What happens with them when they are no longer getting paid? They go private I suppose. Is that in the best interest of the country? Or would it make more sense to reign in the NSA and declare the spying illegal, or some other less radical approach that keeps the good guys around and gives them something better to do than record every phone call and text we make?
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guscost将近 12 年前
Not to play Big Brother&#x27;s advocate, but even considering improvised explosive pressure cookers and underwear, I&#x27;d wager that 100 NSA snoops bring more of a tactical advantage to this &quot;War on Terror&quot; than 10,000 boots on the ground in Kunar province.<p>Whether we&#x27;re achieving anything by wading into that quagmire is another question entirely.
caycep将近 12 年前
Next thing you know, the power goes out and Skynet takes over...