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My hell as a 911 operator

223 点作者 DavidChouinard将近 12 年前

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josh2600将近 12 年前
Ok, I have something to add here for the following reasons:<p>* I build big call centers for a living<p>* I&#x27;m a really big Telecom Nerd<p>You might be wondering why something as important as 911 is not automated or accessible via any other mechanism; why is it that the most critical service in the country runs on a system that hasn&#x27;t materially changed since 1984?<p>For one, the Public Switched Telephone Network (PSTN) is extremely reliable, authentic because it&#x27;s logically addressed, and ubiquitous. The only real flaw is the addressing, which, because of Caller ID, can be faked, but that&#x27;s another story (See Wikipedia on Swatting).<p>So, there&#x27;s a huge movement to reshape 911 service to take advantage of modern things like the internet, SMS, GPS and all different kinds of connectivity. The way 911 works right now is sort of a hodgepodge all over the place depending on which vendor the municipality has selected for the Public Service Access Point. There is not one standardized 911 system across the country, which may or may not be a good thing depending on your perspective.<p>So everyone can agree fixing 911 is a great idea, BUT why hasn&#x27;t it happened already? I can point to a couple potential reasons:<p>1) It&#x27;s a really big contract; supposing PSAPs get standardized across the board, we&#x27;re talking about many millions, potentially billions of dollars. That means lobbying and negotiation and time (oh by the way Sprint is currently leading the charge but I find it unlikely that the US will let a foreign-owned conglomerate manage their backbone emergency services).<p>2) The current vendors see nothing wrong with the existing solution, and have projects like what has happened in New York to stand against the tide of change. Their service contracts provide a big incentive to keep those boxes in those cities.<p>So I think there&#x27;s a lot of reasons why 911 is as bad as it is, most of it isn&#x27;t technical, but political, as with most old ridiculous infrastructures.<p>It&#x27;s amazing how <i></i>not<i></i> planning for obsolescence almost automatically results in political conflict down the road.
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jowiar将近 12 年前
I am tired of HN (and the rest of the country) taking shots at government employees. They&#x27;re talented. They work hard. They take pride in their work. They do a damn good job. If you look at any good technology product that&#x27;s come out of government, it&#x27;s almost always been a creation of federal employees: CFPB. Data.gov. Healthcare.gov. Some neat things coming out of the OPM. Accumulo.<p>There are Github repositories:<p><pre><code> https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;GSA https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;GSA-OCSIT https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;cfpb https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;opengovplatform </code></pre> To quote Deputy CIO of CFPB Matthew Burton:<p><pre><code> Got two out-of-the-blue emails today asking &quot;who is behind http:&#x2F;&#x2F;CFPB.gov&#x27;s great graphic design.&quot; I&#x27;m proud to say: civil servants&quot; [1] </code></pre> On the other hand, feel free to tear apart the contracting system all you want. The system of &quot;who can check all the boxes for the lowest price&quot; is an unmitigated train wreck. It basically mandates a waterfall-designed usability disaster. The sooner we can tear apart that system, the better (and I say that as someone who has spent a majority of my career as a government contractor).<p>[1]: <a href="https://twitter.com/matthewburton/status/359747466339418113" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;matthewburton&#x2F;status&#x2F;359747466339418113</a>
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gregd将近 12 年前
Having been involved in long, arduous government procurement processes, I can assure you that it will leave you shaking your head and wondering how ANYTHING in government gets done.<p>The trip from RFP to signed contract is maddening and has probably driven more than one government worker to an alcoholic stupor, wishing for the sweet embrace of death.<p>On a side note, I&#x27;m no longer a government employee. My name is Greg and I&#x27;m an alcoholic....
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DanielBMarkham将近 12 年前
Pre-9-11, I spent some time doing some high-level analysis, talking to users and administrators, of a nation-wide EMS system for an entire country (Sorry, can&#x27;t say which) It was a U.S. firm interested in figuring out exactly how much it would cost to create a national system so they could bid on it.<p>This does not have to be a very complicated system at all. It&#x27;s basically a real-time workflow system. Information comes in, is assigned a type and other data, and depending on the values is routed to various other people, which also tag and update it. In a way, it&#x27;s almost like a bug-tracking system. Tickets get made. Tickets get worked on. Tickets get resolved.<p>Now combine that 10K problem with a large rollout, lots of administrative BS, and $2 Billion? It&#x27;s wonder the damn thing works at all. A group of hackers could cobble together something over a week with better uptime and more reliability than I&#x27;m inferring from this article.<p>The technical complexity of the problem has nothing at all to do with the political and legal maneuvering required to get and execute a large government contract.
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ck2将近 12 年前
Lowest bidder? No one loses their job for someone dying?<p>Sounds like a perfect storm.<p>I&#x27;d love to see an itemization for $88 Million and how many vacation homes were bought.
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jjindev将近 12 年前
Large organizations have a tendency to demand custom solutions, and then they want to throw the switch all at once. That is pretty much opposite the bottom up, self-organization, of HN themes.<p>If you could &quot;bubble up&quot; a &quot;good enough&quot; 911 system, it probably would be reliable and probably would scale. But the contract will be given to the company which will say they can provide a big custom solution on a deadline. It&#x27;s almost worse if they believe it themselves. A dishonest vendor would at least understand the scale of the problem(s).
joyeuse6701将近 12 年前
A lot of posts here talk about open source projects or the relative simplicity of implementing something like this at it&#x27;s core: I agree with the idea though I understand that emergency systems require a high level of reliability similar to mil-spec hardware I imagine. If there was any justification for that price of 88+ mil, that would be it. Looks like that went right out the damn window. All systems have bugs, I think we can all agree on that, but I&#x27;d like to know that they followed the most sensical procedure to rolling this out. Did they test it prior to release? How did they test it. Did they bother with unit tests at the lowest level? Did they perform thorough integration tests? Did they consider rolling out incrementally (if possible) the new system so that they wouldn&#x27;t be completely left out in the rain when it failed? What contingency plans if any did they build into the system upon failure? What was wrong with the old system, and what did the new system promise to deliver?<p>It&#x27;s a lot of questions I wish more journalism would answer. On another note. It&#x27;s interesting to think about open source. As some have mentioned, it&#x27;s difficult to imagine the feasibility of actually doing an open source version and getting it adopted (though that may be because I don&#x27;t know how EMS stuff is structured). Though I think all would benefit from a source code release of this system so we could actually crowdsource a better friggin&#x27; version because this one clearly isn&#x27;t doing its job...since May.
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300bps将近 12 年前
Holy hyperbole. Definitely seems like this worker is frustrated beyond sense or has an agenda with saying things like:<p><i>They give rookie operators two months training, and after that just throw ’em in. They’re not ready.</i><p>Two months training is not enough training? This is implausible. At its core, they&#x27;re answering the phone, determining the reason for a call and typing information from the call into a computer. They&#x27;re not driving out to a site and performing cardiac bypass on people having a heart attack.<p>The whole thing seemed targeted toward eliciting an emotional response rather than a rational one.
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nostromo将近 12 年前
What if we made 911 into a voucher program.<p>When signing up for a phone, you must pick a 911 provider. The cost is fixed, so you&#x27;re not choosing based on saving money, but based on quality of service. Each provider would be audited and would publish response times, etc.<p>You could choose the government program described in this article, or go with someone more technologically advanced.
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peter_tonoli将近 12 年前
It seems to be that previous massive failures by companies such as Intergraph are quickly forgotten about. In Victoria, Australia, there ended up being a Royal Commission - and Intergraph didn&#x27;t seek an extension to their contract as a result due to the massive fallout &lt;<a href="http://www.abc.net.au/pm/stories/s181316.htm&gt;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.abc.net.au&#x2F;pm&#x2F;stories&#x2F;s181316.htm&gt;</a>, and &lt;<a href="http://www.abc.net.au/worldtoday/stories/s427907.htm&gt;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.abc.net.au&#x2F;worldtoday&#x2F;stories&#x2F;s427907.htm&gt;</a>
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snitko将近 12 年前
Now imagine for a moment 911 line was a private company. People subscribe to it, pay a monthly fee, call it, wait to get through and don&#x27;t receive help in time. What do you think people would do then? Stop paying and likely file a lawsuit. Good luck doing this with a government.
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readme将近 12 年前
looks like someone needs 911.io -- replacement emergency 911 system using mongodb, node.js, and twitter bootstrap.<p>ultra reliable, super scalable
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kylec将近 12 年前
This seems like a great opportunity for someone to develop an open source high-availability, fault-tolerant 911 dispatch system. Being able to get first responders where they&#x27;re needed as fast as possible would provide a tremendous public good.
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rlpb将近 12 年前
The London Ambulance Service had similar problems when switching to a different system back in 1992.<p>It&#x27;s actually an incredibly well studied case of an IT project failure. It&#x27;s studied as a textbook case in just about every IT project management course in the UK.<p>Interesting that NYC is repeating what sounds like exactly the same mistakes.<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Ambulance_Service#System_failures" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;London_Ambulance_Service#System...</a><p>(or just Google for &quot;london ambulance service case study&quot;)
thebiglebrewski将近 12 年前
Where can we start the discussion to start building a better version of this?
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EpicEng将近 12 年前
This sort of thing doesn&#x27;t surprise me. Anecdotally, I&#x27;ve heard more than a few people bemoan a new POS system. Because I write software for a living, I usually prod them for details.<p>Even though their old system was some DOS based thing from 1991, it worked. It was fast and simple. Now they have some new, enterprisey, WPF + EF behemoth that is buggy and slow.<p>Sure, new software will almost always have more bugs than the system it is replacing; the old system, whatever its flaws (perceived or actual), was battle-hardened. It was probably written in a time when speed was more important than the technology stack it used.<p>These people don&#x27;t care so much about a nicer looking interface. They need something that works and stays out of their way so that they can do their job.
chestnut-tree将近 12 年前
Are there any examples of complex, large-scale government IT projects that have succeeded, come in on cost and time and worked better than what they replaced?<p>I can only think of one example: the UK&#x27;s Government Digital Service (who built www.gov.uk). Admittedly not a mission-critical project that saves lives, but they actually managed to bring the hundreds of different government websites under one site, re-wrote and re-rorganised the content so it was easier to find and read, and actually improved considerably on what was in place before.<p>It&#x27;s an exception rather than the rule though to most government or local council projects in the UK. Any other examples of success? (There must be some)
ErikAugust将近 12 年前
&quot;...and Intergraph [the Alabama company that designed the new system].&quot;<p><a href="http://www.intergraph.com/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.intergraph.com&#x2F;</a> - Flash header on company&#x27;s homepage hangs on Chrome. Not a good start.
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slashCJ将近 12 年前
It would be fun to have hackathon to design a better 911 system - I&#x27;d bet 24 hours worth of work would produce some amazing stuff (probably not super-ultra reliable production ready, but some cool stuff that could save lives)
ballard将近 12 年前
Wow. It&#x27;s a new case study on how process risk equals 1970&#x27;s-style failures: Big Design Upfront and failure to manage risk. Gambling with people&#x27;s lives instead of ironing the bugs out in a mock environment, going live on a limited basis (smaller center&#x2F;group first) and not letting the consultants drive the product.<p>The operators should&#x27;ve had final say on production worthiness. The arrogance of top-down &quot;solutions&quot; that don&#x27;t work.<p>Other observation: results are often inversely proportional to budget, up to a point. Spending instead of thinking is not a solution.
rlu将近 12 年前
People always say being an ATC is the most stressful job that you can have. But this sounds worse, even if the system worked properly.<p>Does anyone know starting salaries for air traffic controllers?
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umrashrf将近 12 年前
There is a similar movie. The Call. <a href="http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1911644/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.imdb.com&#x2F;title&#x2F;tt1911644&#x2F;</a>
znowi将近 12 年前
<i>Our call volume is too high for this system.</i><p><i>Starting pay for a 911 operator is about $26,000</i><p>Yea, obviously not as high a priority as stock exchange market where milliseconds matter!
Kilo-byte将近 12 年前
<i>Intergraph keeps telling us, “Shut your computer down and reboot. It’ll just take a minute.</i><p>Glad I don&#x27;t trust my life on such a broken system.
nfriedly将近 12 年前
Want to make a difference? Check out <a href="http://codeforamerica.org/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;codeforamerica.org&#x2F;</a>
imonkey将近 12 年前
I see Windows blue taskbar on the photo. HOW ITS POSSIBLE TO RUN SUCH IMPORTANT SYSTEM ON THE F<i></i><i></i>G WINDOWS???????<p>Answer me please!
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tikwidd将近 12 年前
Seems like the US military would be a good candidate for taking care of 911 dispatch.
siculars将近 12 年前
Twitter can handle north of 4k tweets per second on virtually entirely open source software and these morons can&#x27;t record phone calls. If this is not a glaring example of government mismanagement and waste I don&#x27;t know what is. Where are the criminal indictments?
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Ind007将近 12 年前
Any idea on which technology the current system is built upon?
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stretchwithme将近 12 年前
The miracle of over-centralization at work.
z0ol将近 12 年前
Guess they&#x27;re running Windows.
e40将近 12 年前
The NY Post? Really??
crististm将近 12 年前
wtf emergency system costs one billion dollars???
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blackprawn将近 12 年前
So let me get this straight:<p>You (and I) truly believe that the telcos have proof positive location on our landlines and cells, and this data is collected whole hog by the govt, but BUT somehow they cant locate a caller having a heart attack on long island.<p>You know, the govt has the systems it deserves, and I really dont care to hear whining about pencil and paper.<p>It takes no longer to write down on pencil and paper a 911 call and theres a mandatory handoff anyway.<p>This has nothing to do with the folks working the phones not being up to par. They are. It has everything to do with big telcos and govt contractors holding taxpayers hostage.<p>We dont need them. Use the pencil and paper, make a phone call to the next dept. That takes the same amount of time as data entry.<p>Grow up, be a human being and stop pretending that life and death situations are some variant of farmville.
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GigabyteCoin将近 12 年前
The sensationalism is high in this article.<p><i>Operators had to record 911 calls with pen and paper</i><p>I know I work all day on a computer but I wouldn&#x27;t consider using pen and paper a hindrance.
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